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asdasdsddd ◴[] No.42169334[source]
It's insane how successful Japan is in spite of their corporate inefficiencies.
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adamc ◴[] No.42169379[source]
It's fascinating and makes me want to know more about how the culture works.
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latentsea ◴[] No.42169419[source]
It works by having it beaten into for you several decades of your childhood that you don't speak up, you put the groups first, and appearances trump reality.

I don't necessarily think it's any better or any worse than western culture. My perspective is "it just has different failure modes".

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1. Dalewyn ◴[] No.42169486[source]
Yes, a large part of why Japanese society appears (and in fact performs) so perfect is because of an absolute fear of shame.

From the moment you are born you are taught to care about what and how others think and feel about you and your conduct. If it's not your social peers, it's the literal Sun ("Otentou-sama") looking down upon you and judging your every single moment. If you shame yourself, you also bring shame upon your family and your ancestors both living and dead.

To be clear: This does work, and most Japanese are happy to serve society rather than feel compelled to do so at threat of cancellation. There are also benefits for the compliant, namely in the form of social safety nets both legal and social to ensure a minimum standard of living.

Japanese expats are a particular bunch, they left Japan because they couldn't stand the shaming and strict adherence to social codes. A kind of "you can't fire me if I quit" response.