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dijit ◴[] No.42159330[source]
I always found it really frustrating that a "zero tolerance" policy to bullying seemed to disproportionately affect people who eventually fight back.

I would guess it's a combination of "nobody sees the first hit" (since your attention is elsewhere, of course) and that bullies get quite good at testing boundaries and thus know how to avoid detection.

But, really, it's truly frustrating that as I child I was bullied relentlessly, and when I finally took my parents advice and stood my ground, I was expelled from school (due to zero tolerance). Those bullies continued to torment some other kids, of course.

This is far from an uncommon situation, over the years I've heard many more scenarios like this.

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Loughla ◴[] No.42159404[source]
I was also expelled for fighting back. This was how I learned that documentation is important in life.

When I got the paperwork saying I was out, my parents sent back all the correspondence with the school, the dates the bully bothered me, and the responses (or lack thereof) from the school. I was reinstated and the bully went to another district.

Bullying in my day was at least bearable because it was confined to times when I was physically near the bully. Kids today have it so much worse with social media. It's genuinely terrifying. I don't wonder why many teens are anxious. Everything they do is documented.

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thaumasiotes ◴[] No.42159832[source]
> Bullying in my day was at least bearable because it was confined to times when I was physically near the bully. Kids today have it so much worse with social media.

I don't get it. Anything a bully can do to you over social media, they can also do to you without using the internet at all. Anything they needed to be near you to do, they still need to be near you to do.

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nicksergeant ◴[] No.42159877[source]
There's twice as much surface area. Bullies can now do their thing 24/7 from behind the screen _and_ still physically torment.
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thaumasiotes ◴[] No.42159886[source]
Again, whatever they can do from behind a screen now, they could also do in your absence before.
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ab5tract ◴[] No.42159982[source]
No, they couldn’t.

Just a single obvious example: What tools did they have to broadcast photoshopped images of you to all of your peers?

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thaumasiotes ◴[] No.42160204[source]
Printers.

If you're thinking "what tools did they have to create photoshopped images of you with?", why would you attribute that to social media?

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bigfudge ◴[] No.42160374[source]
Is it possible you are being thick here? Mentally rehearse the process of photoshopping your victims image and then printing it out and circulating it to everyone in the class before or at bedtime.
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teamonkey ◴[] No.42160586[source]
No, they were printed out, hung up around school, posted into lockers…
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lostlogin ◴[] No.42160832[source]
I suppose it was all just as bad before printers too?

You just did a lot of oil paintings. And prior to that you did some cave drawings?

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hackable_sand ◴[] No.42162515[source]
Y'all are literally bullying here.

The irony would be hilarious, if it wasn't just straight up mean.

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1. bigfudge ◴[] No.42162639[source]
If it comes across that way apologies. I was honestly suspecting that the post I was replying to was being deliberately obtuse, but I guess it’s possible that this happened to them and it’s unduly salient as a consequence.
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2. hackable_sand ◴[] No.42169854[source]
Y'all never stopped to consider their point.

Let me give you an analogy:

An apple takes 1 year to fall from a tree.

An apple takes 1 seconds to fall from a tree.

An apple falls from a tree.

No difference.