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1. dr_dshiv ◴[] No.42145215[source]
OpenAI has a TON of experience making game-playing AI. That was their focus for years, if you recall. So it seems like they made one model good at chess to see if it had an overall impact on intelligence (just as learning chess might make people smarter, or learning math might make people smarter, or learning programming might make people smarter)
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2. larodi ◴[] No.42146083[source]
Playing is a thing strongly related to abstract representation of the game in game states. Even if player does not realize it, with chess it’s really about shallow or beam search within the possible moves.

LLMs don’t do reasoning or exploration, but they write text based on precious text. So to us it may seem playing, but is really a smart guesswork based on previous games. It’s like Kasparov writing moves without imagining the actual placement.

What would be interesting is to see whether a model, given only the rules, will play. I bet it won’t.

At this moment it’s replaying by memory but definitely not chasing goals. There’s no such think as forward attention yet, and beam search is expensive enough, so one would prefer to actually fallback to classic chess algos.

3. philipwhiuk ◴[] No.42146241[source]
I think you're confusing OpenAI and DeepMind.

OpenAI has never done anything except conversational agents.

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4. agnokapathetic ◴[] No.42146773[source]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenAI_Five

https://openai.com/index/gym-retro/

5. ttyprintk ◴[] No.42146923[source]
No, they started without conversation and only reinforcement learning on games, directly comparable to DeepMind.

“In the summer of 2018, simply training OpenAI's Dota 2 bots required renting 128,000 CPUs and 256 GPUs from Google for multiple weeks.”

6. apetresc ◴[] No.42147081[source]
Very wrong. The first time most people here probably heard about OpenAI back in 2017 or so was their DotA 2 bot.
7. codethief ◴[] No.42147644[source]
They definitely have game-playing AI expertise, though: https://noambrown.github.io/
8. ctoth ◴[] No.42148393[source]
> OpenAI has never done anything except conversational agents.

Tell me you haven't been following this field without telling me you haven't been following this field[0][1][2]?

[0]: https://github.com/openai/gym

[1]: https://openai.com/index/jukebox/

[2]: https://openai.com/index/openai-five-defeats-dota-2-world-ch...