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iandanforth ◴[] No.42139410[source]
A few important things to remember here:

The best engineering minds have been focused on scaling transformer pre and post training for the last three years because they had good reason to believe it would work, and it has up until now.

Progress has been measured against benchmarks which are / were largely solvable with scale.

There is another emerging paradigm which is still small(er) scale but showing remarkable results. That's full multi-modal training with embodied agents (aka robots). 1x, Figure, Physical Intelligence, Tesla are all making rapid progress on functionality which is definitely beyond frontier LLMs because it is distinctly different.

OpenAI/Google/Anthropic are not ignorant of this trend and are also reviving or investing in robots or robot-like research.

So while Orion and Claude 3.5 opus may not be another shocking giant leap forward, that does not mean that there arn't giant shocking leaps forward coming from slightly different directions.

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sincerecook ◴[] No.42140421[source]
> That's full multi-modal training with embodied agents (aka robots). 1x, Figure, Physical Intelligence, Tesla are all making rapid progress on functionality which is definitely beyond frontier LLMs because it is distinctly different.

Cool, but we already have robots doing this in 2d space (aka self driving cars) that struggle not to kill people. How is adding a third dimension going to help? People are just refusing to accept the fact that machine learning is not intelligence.

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tick_tock_tick ◴[] No.42142802[source]
I ride in self driving cares basically once a week in SF (Waymo). It's always felt safer then a Uber and makes ways less risky maneuvers.
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1. n_ary ◴[] No.42144609{3}[source]
Could be because Uber or Taxi is trying to make most trips and maximize day earning while Waymo do not have that rush and can take things slow…

Of course Waymo needs money but if the car made fewer trips compared to Uber/Taxi, it is not suffering the same consequences.

We need to consider human factor and the severe lacking of that in these robot/self driving/LLM and drawing parallels is not a direction I am feeling comfortable.

End of the day, Tesla also sold half baked self drive that killed people, we should not forget.