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xnx ◴[] No.42138885[source]
Seems like the logical endpoint of a lot of this is people getting paid directly for their attention. Want to call me? I've set a price of $5/call that I answer, and an additional $10/minute of listen time after the first 10 seconds. Want to send me an email? $1/email and $5/100 words. Anyone I have emailed is automatically on my allow-list, which I can also adjust manually.
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1. mos_basik ◴[] No.42142129[source]
That's EVE Online's approach to fighting ingame "email" spam [0].

Every player can configure an amount of ingame money that is levied from a sender's account to deliver a message to them. It's a currency sink, so it's themed as a "tax" levied by the NPCs and its value is destroyed rather than paid to the recipient of the message.

I thought it used to default to 5 ISK (a pittance, something you can make back by shooting a single NPC pirate ship). I see some references to the default being ~2000 ISK at the time that it was changed to 0, where it is now.

Worked pretty well, imo. Players that need to be publicly contactable (people who organize public events, for instance) can turn it off easily. People who are "space famous" can crank it up to reduce targeted spam. Even at the default setting, it's effective at keeping ingame scammers from blasting the whole player list with messages (at least, the poor ones :). Doesn't apply to people you've already exchanged messages with. I think there's also some allowlisting you can do, etc.

0. https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/EVE_Mail#CONCORD_Spam_Prevent...

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2. xnx ◴[] No.42142587[source]
Great real world functioning example.

The idea in general seems to have been around since 1992: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashcash

3. ryandrake ◴[] No.42144182[source]
> it's themed as a "tax" levied by the NPCs and its value is destroyed rather than paid to the recipient of the message.

It’s a cool idea and would work good for real world fines, too: fines that destroy the money paid instead of transfer it (to the city, the court, the police and so on). The fines would disincentivize bad behavior, while also not incentivizing the police to “go generate some crime” because it pays them.

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4. xnorswap ◴[] No.42145775[source]
Some argue that's how taxes work already. Taxation destroys money, government spending creates money.

MMT (modern monetary theory) argues that taxation isn't about "funding", it's actually about controlling inflation.

MMT is somewhat controversial.

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5. ryandrake ◴[] No.42147780{3}[source]
Totally agree, but only if those taxes go to the entity that creates the money. From the federal government's point of view, who prints money, there is zero difference between collecting money and throwing it in a furnace. Both do the same thing. Money is just a piece of paper that says "the government owes you a debt of one buck". So if it is returned to them, they no longer owe it to you, and if it gets destroyed, the same thing is true.

But if those taxes go to the State of California, it's different. They don't print money, so it becomes a real debt to them. Destroying it in that case would cancel that debt and free the debtor (the Treasury) from that obligation.