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Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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391 points JSeymourATL | 14 comments | 14 Nov 24 14:35 UTC | HN request time: 0.535s | source | bottom
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shmatt ◴[14 Nov 24 14:56 UTC] No.42136701[source]▶
I have to put out a ghost job req and interview every person applying within reason for every green card a direct report is applying for. I have to show there are or aren’t any residents or citizens that can fill the job

The main problem is: even if the interviewee knocks it out of the park, is an amazing engineer, I still am not interested in firing my OPT/h1b team member who can still legally work for 2-3 years. So while I will deny their green card application and not submit it, I also won’t hire the interviewee

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1. gadders ◴[14 Nov 24 16:31 UTC] No.42137852[source]▶
That sounds ethical.

Good to hear that H1B programme isn't being abused.

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2. actionfromafar ◴[14 Nov 24 16:44 UTC] No.42138014[source]▶
He found another candidate which could do the job. This finding makes it a federal crime to recommand the current H1B employee for a green card.
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3. dilyevsky ◴[14 Nov 24 16:56 UTC] No.42138167[source]▶
Omg 80% of comments in this thread are so confidently wrong it’s insane. Fyi tp is actually doing everything by the book
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4. gadders ◴[14 Nov 24 17:05 UTC] No.42138287[source]▶
Yes, it's been better explained now.

I guess this is a case of "don't hate the player, hate the game." although the question remains why they filled the role with an H1B candidate in the first place if they could find locals that could do the job. That piece is clearly unethical and done only for wage suppression.

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5. gadders ◴[14 Nov 24 17:07 UTC] No.42138311[source]▶
I understand now. See above.
6. dilyevsky ◴[14 Nov 24 17:13 UTC] No.42138407{3}[source]▶
More like a case of “perhaps dont make judgements if your knowledge on the subject is aprox zero”. Again, same question as upthread - show me how prevailing wage is suppressing the market. The h1b could also been issued years ago like in 2021 for example
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7. kyawzazaw ◴[14 Nov 24 17:19 UTC] No.42138500{3}[source]▶
usually, they find this local person later. But is it right to replace then? Wage suppression but usually H-1Bs and other work immigration visas are not lower paid at big tech co
8. gadders ◴[14 Nov 24 17:39 UTC] No.42138779{4}[source]▶
Have you heard of "Supply and Demand"?
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9. dilyevsky ◴[14 Nov 24 17:47 UTC] No.42138874{5}[source]▶
Ah yes, if only we could mint experienced devs from thin air, your model would be perfectly sound!
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10. gadders ◴[14 Nov 24 18:00 UTC] No.42139053{6}[source]▶
Or maybe, devs could move from Company A to Company B that would pay them more money. What a terrible world that would be to live in.

Or companies in, say, SF could let people work remotely from Pittsburgh.

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11. dilyevsky ◴[14 Nov 24 19:47 UTC] No.42140371{7}[source]▶
And what would company A do at that point?

> Or companies in, say, SF could let people work remotely from Pittsburgh.

Hold up, didn’t you say it was “clearly unethical” if local devs are available?

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12. gadders ◴[15 Nov 24 09:57 UTC] No.42145415{8}[source]▶
OMG - there would be a bidding war for developers! VCs and Shareholders might have to take less profit so they could pay their developers more!! What a dystopian future.

And as far as I can tell, Pittsburgh is in the same country as SF.

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13. dilyevsky ◴[15 Nov 24 17:36 UTC] No.42149008{9}[source]▶
According to gadders the definition of ethical is apparently “what’s good for gadders personally”. I don’t see anything ethical about your take - i see nationalism and greed. Misguided at that btw because skilled immigration demonstrably is good for us and good for wage growth. I asked you to prove otherwise and you just gave me some econ 101 vibes crap
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14. gadders ◴[18 Nov 24 10:19 UTC] No.42171189{10}[source]▶
>>According to gadders the definition of ethical is apparently “what’s good for gadders personally”.

According to gadders the definition of ethical is apparently “what’s good for the host nation's developers”. Fixed that for you.

I don't think workers wanting to maximise their pay is greed.