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PRC Targeting of Commercial Telecommunications Infrastructure

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clwg ◴[14 Nov 24 02:45 UTC] No.42132630[source]▶
I was working with MISP[0], an open-source threat intelligence sharing platform, and came across a really interesting dataset from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute on China's technology research institutions[1]. I liked the data so much I built a quick cross-filter visualization on top of it to help explore it[2].

The data offers a fairly comprehensive and interesting perspective on China's research priorities and organization, I can't speak to the effectiveness of the programs themselves, but it does make me concerned that we are falling far behind in many areas, including cyber security.

[0] https://www.misp-project.org/

[1] https://raw.githubusercontent.com/MISP/misp-galaxy/refs/head...

[2] https://www.layer8.org/8541dd18-ff05-4720-aac7-1bd59d3921dd/

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acheong08 ◴[14 Nov 24 03:17 UTC] No.42132801[source]▶
> we are falling far behind in many areas, including cyber security

In terms of quantity and quality of talent, I don't think the western world would fall behind China, especially with their strict control of information. Most people there will have difficulty independently learning about cybersecurity.

The difference is that most talent is captured by the private sector with higher compensation or bounties. Meanwhile, China can very easily compel anyone they need into the government so the % utilization on outward attacks is probably higher.

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TaylorAlexander ◴[14 Nov 24 06:36 UTC] No.42133646[source]▶
> In terms of quantity

At the very least China is generally gonna have everyone else beat on quantity of people involved in quite a lot of things.

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1. tw1984 ◴[14 Nov 24 09:16 UTC] No.42134404[source]▶
check AI, green energy, EV, mobile computing, cloud computing, quantum stuff, robots etc. it is pretty much China vs US now when it comes to quality.

how many people would seriously believe that EU or Japan can possibly compete with China on its own in terms of quality for those above mentioned sectors.

just looking at those low quality & high pollution Japanese & European cars.

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2. easygenes ◴[14 Nov 24 09:55 UTC] No.42134614[source]▶
Is the last line said ironically? Japanese brands long have and continue to absolutely dominate long term reliability ratings for vehicles, and the first mass market hybrid and full EV vehicles came from Japan.

If you’re talking about innovation and mass EV manufacturing, sure the US and China are leading, but the European Volkswagen and BMW Groups are still competitive. Japan is admittedly a laggard in the EV market, but largely because EVs are still a luxury good and Japanese brands are primarily mainstream.

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3. tw1984 ◴[14 Nov 24 10:25 UTC] No.42134796[source]▶
> Japanese brands long have and continue to absolutely dominate long term reliability ratings for vehicles

such hard earned experience is no longer relevant in the era of EV.

> but the European Volkswagen and BMW Groups are still competitive

none of them is even capably of designing self driven cars on their own. same for the AI based infotainment systems fitted on EVs. they are just Canon in 2024/2025.

> EVs are still a luxury good

I wouldn't call it luxury. It is the cheapest option to own a car in Shanghai, BYD Seagull is being offered for $9k USD.

> Japanese brands are primarily mainstream

they have already lost the battle. if EV makers can't build their own self driving systems and those AI based infotainment systems, then they are in the wrong business. Batteries is another story that can not be ignored, Japan and the EU do not have any meaningful control on that.

I don't see any chance how European or Japanese car makers can survive in mid term.

4. medo-bear ◴[14 Nov 24 12:13 UTC] No.42135470[source]▶
Interesting also is the type of names that appear in so many western academic journals. What I mean to say is that even in Western journals "Alice" and "Bob" is quite rare
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5. tw1984 ◴[14 Nov 24 14:41 UTC] No.42136520[source]▶
when "alice" and "bob" can become a lawyer to talk their clients into paying some stupid amount, why bother studying STEM.