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286 points 2OEH8eoCRo0 | 16 comments | | HN request time: 1.888s | source | bottom
1. grahamj ◴[] No.42132931[source]
Hey China, could you just like, you know, not do that? That'd be cool.

Thanks!

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2. jumping_frog ◴[] No.42133087[source]
I will just leave this here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_wiretapping_case_2004%E2...

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3. talldayo ◴[] No.42133119[source]
Something something turnabout is fair play
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4. knowaveragejoe ◴[] No.42133177[source]
Is this a whataboutism?
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5. throwaway290 ◴[] No.42133236[source]
As if they contributed to West even remotely as much as West contributed to them. Help getting lifted from poverty and being given a ton of tech/innovations, turnabout my ass...
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6. talldayo ◴[] No.42133475{3}[source]
Conversely, you could look at that as a mistake on the West's half for letting themselves become so addicted to a foreign power they are ideologically at-odds with. We could have learned this mistake when we sold Pakistan weapons they used to genocide people, or again when we gave Iran weapons they would turn around and use for terrorism, or yet again when we furnish weapons to Israel pitting one ugly nationalist theocracy against another.

All China ever did was exploit capitalism. And if we punished companies for exploiting capitalism then America wouldn't have modern businesses at all.

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7. jumping_frog ◴[] No.42133487{3}[source]
Friends don't treat friends like this.
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8. 0dayz ◴[] No.42134324{4}[source]
Then we should never be friends with China?
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9. 0dayz ◴[] No.42134330{4}[source]
USA never gave weapons beyond required (hostage crisis) to Iran.

And China is doing a lot more than exploiting capitalism. They are pushing neo imperialism just like Russia.

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10. coretx ◴[] No.42136517{4}[source]
They do, they just care less when it's friends doing it. 5-eyes did the same with the entire European parliament. The incident response & reporting ( clean up crew ) was done by a firm who got sold to a British intelligence daughter not much afterwards. You can't make this shit up. Another famous example would be from the previous cold war era. Dutch telephony routers had Hebrew manuals so they required personnel from Israel for "maintenance". They wiretapped the whole country.
11. coretx ◴[] No.42136536{5}[source]
Nation states don't have friends. They have interests.
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12. 0dayz ◴[] No.42138816{6}[source]
Friends are a form of interest, so why try and separate the two?
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13. coretx ◴[] No.42144197{7}[source]
Because nation states are socio/psycho-paths.
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14. talldayo ◴[] No.42149047{5}[source]
> USA never gave weapons beyond required (hostage crisis) to Iran.

Same can't be said about Iraq, can it?

> And China is doing a lot more than exploiting capitalism. They are pushing neo imperialism just like Russia.

Oh, absolutely. But none of that mattered to us when China was a fair-weather trade partner, so I frankly find it hilarious that people want to act suddenly offended by Chinese ambition. What, 40 years of trade reliance didn't give you the insight into Xi Jinping you needed?

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15. 0dayz ◴[] No.42155553{6}[source]
>Same can't be said about Iraq, can it?

Iraq got most of the weapons from the USSR.

If you mean it's WMD, that was done by tricking the west by proclaiming that Iraq was going to be using chemicals used in WMD for non WMD uses.

>What, 40 years of trade reliance didn't give you the insight into Xi Jinping you needed?

You are correct that the west took a blind eye to the geopolitical goals and ambitions of China, however it started as a strategy in the cold war (counter balance to the USSR) to the naive view that trade of libertarians that free trade makes geopolitical interest go away and peace comes in.

16. 0dayz ◴[] No.42155562{8}[source]
So by definition every state is this?

How exactly would we know this?