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GenerWork ◴[] No.42130920[source]
While I do agree with the spirit of this, doesn't this mean that any fees that brokers require will be included in the rent?
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mikeocool ◴[] No.42131323[source]
Landlords who have many apartments to rent every year have a lot more leverage over brokers than renters who are generally renting at the very most once a year. So when landlords are forced to pay the fee that have more optionality to negotiate the fee down.

Even now, when a landlord has a lot of available apartments they need to move or when the market is soft (for example during peak COVID), they’ll typically offer a “1 month OP.” Meaning the landlord pays the broker a 1 month’s rent fee, and the broker markets the apartment to renters as no fee. Even if the landlord just roles that into the rent, it’s a savings over the 12-15% fee standard today.

Also, landlords with larger buildings or geographic density are already figuring out that they can rent apartments cheaper with a few salaried leasing agents, instead of paying brokers. If more of them are forced to internalize the broker fee, more of them will figure that out.

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xp84 ◴[] No.42131950[source]
Not a New Yorker here, can someone ELI5 (briefly, I don't want to waste your time) what function brokers serve other than extracting money from people? I know a real estate agent at least takes care of a great deal of paperwork that must be done correctly in the transfer of title, and shows properties to buyers. But in terms of rentals, I've never needed a third party to do any of that, and I lived in 5 rental apartments in about 8 years. Landlords 'just' list their properties on the Internet, people find said properties and submit applications or go see them at a predefined time. I'm aware of property managers and have dealt with them in cases where the landlord doesn't want to bother interviewing tenants and stuff -- is a broker a subset of these functions? I think of a property manager though as also serving the function of arranging repairs and handling the whole tenant relationship. In my experience, a property manager does charge a percentage of the rent to handle all this, which kind of means it's passed on, but in terms of how the broader market contains competitors who aren't paying a property manager constrains how much it can be fully passed onto the tenant.
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1. kelnos ◴[] No.42132464[source]
> I know a real estate agent at least takes care of a great deal of paperwork that must be done correctly in the transfer of title

Real estate agents don't even do that; a dedicated title company will take care of this aspect of it.

After doing a few real estate purchases with realtors, I've come to the conclusion that they're not really necessary as a buyer, unless you really need/want someone to hold your hand the whole way. The offer and purchase forms are standardized by the state realtor's association (technically they are not free to use, but you can find them online), and the seller will be responsible for filling out all the disclosure forms and whatnot, which you just have to sign that you acknowledge receipt.

As I said, the title company (often also the escrow company) will handle all the title-related stuff. Your mortgage lender will help you fill out the mortgage application, and either the title company or a notary hired by the mortgage lender will walk you through signing the final forms. In states (like NY) where you're required(?) to have an attorney when you're buying property, I feel like a realtor is even more superfluous.

On the seller side, I do believe realtors provide quite a bit more value. Whether or not it's enough to justify their commission is of course up for debate.

Regarding rentals, yeah... before buying I lived in 9 different rentals (upstate NY, SF bay area, SF), and at no point did I need any third party to help with it, even when several of these were before the prevalence of listings on the internet. Find listing, contact landlord and/or attend open house, submit application, sign lease, done. There were certainly some rentals I didn't end up getting due to high demand, but that's life.