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    GenerWork ◴[] No.42130920[source]
    While I do agree with the spirit of this, doesn't this mean that any fees that brokers require will be included in the rent?
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    voberoi ◴[] No.42131237[source]
    The fee will end up somewhere.

    If it's in the rent, it's better to amortize the cost of the broker fee over a year vs. pay upfront.

    Between the fee + first month's rent + security deposit (+ sometimes an additional month's rent) it is common to have to front 10K - 20K just to get into an apartment here.

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    1. jftuga ◴[] No.42131284[source]
    What are typical rents for 2 or 3 bedroom apartments that are located in safe neighborhoods?
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    2. voberoi ◴[] No.42131291[source]
    Easily $4K+
    3. gnulinux ◴[] No.42131358[source]
    In very expensive cities like NYC, Boston, SF it'll be $4k+ for 1 to 2 bedrooms, $5k+ for 2 to 3 bedrooms.

    If you have 2 buddies and going on a $5500 3 bedroom in Boston, you'll likely be requested first rent + last rent + deposit + broker fee (=1 rent) = 4 * rent = $22k just to get the keys. That's $7300 per person. This is only to get the key, the next month you pay rent #2.

    If you're going on a $4k 1 bedroom by yourself (or with your partner) you'll be hit with 4 * 4=$16k upfront cost, or $8k if you're lucky and have a partner.

    Renting is extraordinarily expensive in big cities in the US right now. I'm sometimes surprised people can survive this market. I make ~$150k a year in a lucrative software engineering role, and rent is still too expensive for me. It's very difficult for e.g. teachers, researchers etc making ~$70k a year etc.

    Some cities will be cheaper, some will be more expensive. E.g. I know that Philadelphia is particularly cheap when it comes to cost of living. Chicago is expensive, but seems to be slightly cheaper than NYC/Boston etc...

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    4. neom ◴[] No.42131366[source]
    https://streeteasy.com/for-rent/williamsburg/description:lor...
    5. underlipton ◴[] No.42131610[source]
    What constitutes a safe neighborhood?

    One's personal definition could mean $1000/m difference compared to someone else's.

    6. standardUser ◴[] No.42131773[source]
    That's a bit outdated. NYC and the entire state of California have banned landlords from requiring both last months rent in addition to a security deposit, and the security deposit can be no more than 1 months rent.

    I imagine some other cities have done the same.

    Where I live, in a desirable Manhattan neighborhood with an old building stock, you can find a decent 1-bedroom for around $3500/mo and move in for a total of $7k. If you hunt for a deal and can make a few sacrifices, you can bring that down to $6k.

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    7. gnulinux ◴[] No.42132408{3}[source]
    Oh that's very good to know, I stand corrected. I last moved late 2023 (Boston) and I was interested in market in a few cities around that times. It's always great to hear local governments can make progress for the people.
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    8. standardUser ◴[] No.42132884{4}[source]
    > It's always great to hear local governments can make progress for the people.

    Sometimes it seems like they are the only governments that can!

    9. throwaway2037 ◴[] No.42133800[source]
    Why is it so expensive to rent in Boston? I am surprised to see it in your list. The economy isn't nearly as large as NYC or SF(+nearby cities). The only explanation I can think of: NIMBY/BANANA: It is almost impossible to add new units (housing stock).
    10. rangestransform ◴[] No.42152236[source]
    Renting is actually not that expensive in NYC relative to buying a condo of similar size and quality, I punched in numbers for a 2b2b in LIC and it’s just about a wash over 10 years
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    11. fragmede ◴[] No.42152286{3}[source]
    Did you also model increase in net worth after 10 years given a semi-fixed income and excess money going to the SP500 vs the condo?
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    12. rangestransform ◴[] No.42161645{4}[source]
    I think the NYT rent or buy calculator prices that in