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joshdavham ◴[] No.42129395[source]
I'm really curious to see where higher education will go now that we have LLM's. I imagine the bar will just keep getting higher and more will be able to taught in less time.

Are there any students here who started uni just before LLM's took off and are now finishing their degrees? Have you noticed much change in how your classes are taught?

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risyachka ◴[] No.42129440[source]
After calculators were invented basically no one can can do math in their head.

I’d argue the bar will be lower and lower. Yeah those who want can learn more in less time. But those who don’t - will learn much less.

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1. WalterBright ◴[] No.42129534[source]
I've noticed that people who rely on calculators have great difficulty recognizing when their answers are off by a factor of 10.

I know a hiring manager who asks his (engineering) candidates what is 20% of 20,000? It's amazing how many engineers are completely unable to do this without a calculator. He said they often cry. Of course, they're all "no hire".

How did they get a degree, one wonders?

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2. l33t7332273 ◴[] No.42129770[source]
This is a sort of mental math trick that isn’t incredibly useful in day to day engineering. Now if they say 16,000 or something then maybe there’s an argument against them, but being able to calculate a tip on the fly isn’t really something worth selecting for imo
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3. hooverd ◴[] No.42129783[source]
I've been bashing my head against Speed Mathematics Simplified because I want to be able to do tip math without pulling out my phone.
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4. SauntSolaire ◴[] No.42129842[source]
It's not a "mental math trick", it's a straightforward calculation you should be able to do in your head.
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5. WalterBright ◴[] No.42129849[source]
It's not a "trick".

And yes, it's incredibly useful in enabling recognizing when your calculator gives a bogus result because you made a keyboarding error. When you've got zero feel for numbers, you're going to make bad engineering decisions. You'll also get screwed by car dealers every time, and contractors. You won't know how far you can go with the gas in your tank.

It goes on and on.

Calculators are great for getting an exact final answer. But you'd better already know approximately what the answer should be.

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6. WalterBright ◴[] No.42129853[source]
You won't be sorry you invested the time on this.
7. vunderba ◴[] No.42130364[source]
100% Agreed. There is genuine value in occasionally performing things the "manual way", if for nothing else then to help develop a mental intuition for figures that might seem off.
8. shiomiru ◴[] No.42131703{3}[source]
> it's incredibly useful in enabling recognizing when your calculator gives a bogus result because you made a keyboarding error.

Humans are much better at pattern matching than computation, so the safest solution is probably to just double check if you've typed in the right numbers.

9. bigger_cheese ◴[] No.42133114{3}[source]
I don't know if this is a trick but the fast way I did that problem quickly in my head is 20% = (10% X 2) i.e calc 10% of the number then double it.

To quickly calc 10% just multiply the number by 0.1 which you can do by moving the decimal point one place 20,000.00 => 2,000.000 then it is easy to double that number.

to get 4,000.

17% for example is 1.7 x 10%

in this case 1.7 x 2,000 = 3,400

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10. skydhash ◴[] No.42133319{4}[source]
For me, it's just that 20% is one fifth. One fifth of 20 is 4 and you add the remaining zeroes.

You mostly have common equivalences like this in your memory and you can be faster than computing the actual thing with arithmetic. Or have good approximations.

11. boredhedgehog ◴[] No.42134118{3}[source]
> recognizing when your calculator gives a bogus result because you made a keyboarding error

It might be counterintuitive, but the cheaper (and therefore successful) solution will always be more technological integration, not less.

In this case, better speech recognition, so the user doesn't have to type the numbers anymore, and an LLM middleman that's aware of the real-world context of the question, so the user can be asked if he's sure about the number before it gets passed to the calculator.