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Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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349 points paulpauper | 2 comments | 06 Nov 24 17:14 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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greenie_beans ◴[06 Nov 24 18:12 UTC] No.42066604[source]▶
I watched their election result livestream last night. They had some notable guests, like Donald Trump Jr. and Steve Bannon. Bannon was excited about the prospect of deporting 15 million people. Jason seemed shocked, as if this wasn't what he's been supporting all along. Does he not realize that he's in bed with fascists? Or he's just a fascist too?

They hinted at knowing who will be the secretary of state and treasury secretary, like it was somebody in their circle. Seemed like Elon Musk will be Trump's righthand man, the way they were acting. They were hyper-fixated on DEI and "woke" in politics. They think the government should be run like a CEO, obviously influenced by Moldbug ideas. Sure, they might be very skilled at becoming rich, but these are not the people we want in government.

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kemiller2002 ◴[06 Nov 24 18:16 UTC] No.42066661[source]▶
Anybody who is going to be shocked at what happens as far as aggressive policies aimed at women, minorities, immigrants, the elderly, and the lower income brackets really has no excuse. They haven't been shy in stating their intentions. You can say you made a choice to support it, but don't hide and say you didn't know.
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bongodongobob ◴[06 Nov 24 18:49 UTC] No.42067274[source]▶
They won't be shocked, it's literally what they wanted and why people voted the way they did. You can't just blame corruption or something anymore. It's what people want.
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ks2048 ◴[06 Nov 24 19:48 UTC] No.42068233{3}[source]▶
I think lots of voters want "let's deport all illegal immigrants!"

I think they would be shocked if they understood what kind of operation it would take to deport 15 million and what the side effects would be. For comparison, the entire (huge) prison population is 1.9 million.

I think some terrible things will happen to immigrants (and people suspected of being immigrants), but this scale doesn't seem possible and will be fought against by powerful interests (businesses employing them, etc).

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seanmcdirmid ◴[06 Nov 24 19:53 UTC] No.42068309{4}[source]▶
Maybe they should just do what Canada does and have really high civil/criminal penalties for employing illegal immigrants (so no job, they just go back because no work)? The problem is that a lot of farmers, hotel owners, and people who work construction projects vote Republican also, so it seems like that will never happen in the US.
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ks2048 ◴[06 Nov 24 20:31 UTC] No.42068878{5}[source]▶
I could image a gradual shift to something like that. But if 15 million workers can't work suddenly, there aren't people to do those jobs. Those people also buy groceries, pay rent, etc.
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seanmcdirmid ◴[06 Nov 24 20:45 UTC] No.42069084{6}[source]▶
Ya, but being more honest about immigration is better in the long term. Well, I say that, but that's what Canada did and people (not just conservatives) are still angry. Instead of blaming illegal immigrants, however, they just blame legal ones.
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1. boringg ◴[06 Nov 24 23:07 UTC] No.42070985{7}[source]▶
I think Canada had a poorly determined policy which the country couldn't handle the incredible surge of immigrants - especially those who came from south asia through the diploma mill college route and added limited value to the country. Also in Canada the more people come the worse the socialized services if it isn't properly managed (which it hasn't been).
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2. seanmcdirmid ◴[07 Nov 24 00:16 UTC] No.42071671[source]▶
Yes, they definitely over extended on legal immigration, although it should turn into a net positive maybe a decade later assuming they cut back on it now.