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jagrsw ◴[] No.42062732[source]
If Apple controls the root of trust, like the private keys in the CPU or security processor used to check the enclave (similar to how Intel and AMD do it with SEV-SNP and TDX), then technically, it's a "trust us" situation, since they likely use their own ARM silicon for that?

Harder to attack, sure, but no outside validation. Apple's not saying "we can't access your data," just "we're making it way harder for bad guys (and rogue employees) to get at it."

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skylerwiernik ◴[] No.42063040[source]
I don't think they do. Your phone cryptographically verifies that the software running on the servers is what it says it is, and you can't pull the keys out of the secure enclave. They also had independent auditors go over the whole thing and publish a report. If the chip is disconnected from the system it will dump its keys and essentially erase all data.
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1. HeatrayEnjoyer ◴[] No.42063626[source]
How do you know the root enclave key isn't retained somewhere before it is written? You're still trusting Apple.

Key extraction is difficult but not impossible.

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2. jsheard ◴[] No.42063692[source]
> Key extraction is difficult but not impossible.

Refer to the never-ending clown show that is Intels SGX enclave for examples of this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Guard_Extensions#List...

3. yalogin ◴[] No.42067336[source]
Can you clarify what you mean by retained and written?