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naming_the_user ◴[] No.42056718[source]
What comes across from the article to me is the class barrier more than the gender one - basically it's a posh person finding out what the "real world" looks like.

Shop talk and banter are fairly universal. Any difference is going to be a target. Thin bloke who doesn't look strong enough? Ginger hair? Tall guy, short guy? Weird tattoo, etc. Definitely the one black guy or the one white guy is going to get shit. But is it malicious? Almost certainly not.

The other thing, which in my experience is relatively common worldwide, is that working class communities are more accepting of male-female dynamics. In academia and in highbrow society the tendency is to basically sanitise every social interaction. When you're in an environment where that isn't happening then you can't suddenly ignore it any more.

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esperent ◴[] No.42057157[source]
> But is it malicious? Almost certainly not.

Honestly, it often will be malicious, or will quickly become malicious if you don't take it graciously. And why should you? It's not acceptable to make fun of people for being skinny, ginger, shy, black, white, female, or any other things that the in group considers non-standard for whatever weird reasons.

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1. wyager ◴[] No.42057355[source]
If you have this attitude, you aren't cut out to work in the trades
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2. mock-possum ◴[] No.42066599[source]
The trades need to change then. What you and others are so blithely defending in this thread is textbook toxic behavior.
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3. wyager ◴[] No.42068875[source]
What exactly is your plan to achieve this "needed" change?
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4. lazyasciiart ◴[] No.42073042{3}[source]
Ooh, that’s a great shutdown, do you use it when someone brings up male suicide rates too?
5. itsoktocry ◴[] No.42091955{3}[source]
Academia and the managerial class are going to lecture blue collar workers from the luxury of their remote offices, same as it ever was.
6. mock-possum ◴[] No.42111292{3}[source]
Oh I have no idea, I’m just basically against bigotry and bullying, and basically in favour of kindness and inclusivity.

It’s up to every individual to find the value for themselves, and commit to working on themselves, whatever that looks like.

How about you, what’s your plan?

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7. wyager ◴[] No.42113059{4}[source]
> How about you, what’s your plan?

I can tell you that it doesn't involve condescendingly lecturing blue collar workers about my culture being superior to theirs