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tptacek ◴[] No.41908565[source]
This is a good way for Ars to generate clicks and a more honest headline probably wouldn't move the needle much, but it's worth being clear for HN that the objection here is not that locked phones are good for consumers, but that the subsidization deals locked phones enable are.
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nothercastle ◴[] No.41908679[source]
They aren’t though. Subsidized phones are like monthly car payments drive up costs and are targeted at people bad at math.

If consumers paid out of pocket for their phones then they would be more picky about upgrading and plan prices. It would also make upselling shitty plan features harder so the carriers would loose a lot of money.

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MarkusWandel ◴[] No.41909194[source]
I've had a couple of people who are decidedly good at math (engineers) explain to me that, at least here in Canada, for at least one carrier, for at least one kind of phone (recent, high-end model iphones) if you get out of the carrier contract the moment you can (2 years I think), you do get the phone for less than if you bought it outright and went on a market rate prepaid plan right away. Not even considering the interest free "instalment plan" that they are essentially buying it on.

I guess the carriers still make money because once habituated, especially if they've never done the port-number-to-new-carrier thing, people stay in the high priced plan longer than necessary. Like the three years until they've truly paid the above-market price for the phone, and are now eligible for another "free" phone which they may not even take advantage of.

For what it's worth, carrier locking phones has been illegal here for some years (and any phone from the locked era had to be unlocked for free for the asking after the law was changed) and it hasn't changed anything in terms of these rent-to-buy type carrier plans. So I don't know what the fuss is about. A contract is a contract.

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1. aceofspades19 ◴[] No.41910543[source]
Yeah as a fellow Canadian, I agree. When the unlocking policy was first discussed here, people had the same fears and that people would just run off with the phones. It turns out that people generally don't like being banned from a carrier or getting the hit on their credit.

I don't see why its different than a car really. While some dealerships are adding GPS trackers nowadays, there is nothing stopping you from buying a car on credit and driving it to Mexico and hiding it in a locked garage. It's going to be very difficult to buy another car if you do that though, and that's enough of a deterrence for most people as they have to continue living their lives and eventually buy a new car.

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2. simfree ◴[] No.41911008[source]
Canada is also a much smaller market that has minimal competition with unique cellular bands preventing reuse of said phones outside of a handful of other countries (without severe breakage of VoLTE, or missing low band coverage).
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3. aceofspades19 ◴[] No.41911274[source]
That's not true, it may have been true at one point in time like 20 years ago. Even Bell Canada says you can use your Canadian phone in most countries in the world: https://support.bell.ca/mobility/network_coverage/where_can_... (obviously not super authoritative but they wouldn't tell people their phone worked in a country if it did not.)

It's possible there are some obscure features that may not work properly but for general usage as far as phone calls, texting, data usage, I've never heard of anyone having any issues with their Canadian phone internationally, besides maybe the cost of roaming.If you have a source from recent times that says this, I'd like to see it.

As far as minimal competition goes, there is not an infinite amount of cellphone carriers in the US either that will give you a phone on credit, especially if you have bad credit. I'm sure there are existing ways you can scam phones out of carriers too if you are fine with being banned from the carrier and/or torching your credit.