←back to thread

197 points LorenDB | 1 comments | | HN request time: 0s | source
Show context
tptacek ◴[] No.41908565[source]
This is a good way for Ars to generate clicks and a more honest headline probably wouldn't move the needle much, but it's worth being clear for HN that the objection here is not that locked phones are good for consumers, but that the subsidization deals locked phones enable are.
replies(11): >>41908581 #>>41908673 #>>41908679 #>>41908875 #>>41908906 #>>41909375 #>>41909380 #>>41909447 #>>41909558 #>>41911205 #>>41911215 #
nothercastle ◴[] No.41908679[source]
They aren’t though. Subsidized phones are like monthly car payments drive up costs and are targeted at people bad at math.

If consumers paid out of pocket for their phones then they would be more picky about upgrading and plan prices. It would also make upselling shitty plan features harder so the carriers would loose a lot of money.

replies(7): >>41908735 #>>41908766 #>>41908828 #>>41909010 #>>41909194 #>>41909329 #>>41909562 #
MarkusWandel ◴[] No.41909194[source]
I've had a couple of people who are decidedly good at math (engineers) explain to me that, at least here in Canada, for at least one carrier, for at least one kind of phone (recent, high-end model iphones) if you get out of the carrier contract the moment you can (2 years I think), you do get the phone for less than if you bought it outright and went on a market rate prepaid plan right away. Not even considering the interest free "instalment plan" that they are essentially buying it on.

I guess the carriers still make money because once habituated, especially if they've never done the port-number-to-new-carrier thing, people stay in the high priced plan longer than necessary. Like the three years until they've truly paid the above-market price for the phone, and are now eligible for another "free" phone which they may not even take advantage of.

For what it's worth, carrier locking phones has been illegal here for some years (and any phone from the locked era had to be unlocked for free for the asking after the law was changed) and it hasn't changed anything in terms of these rent-to-buy type carrier plans. So I don't know what the fuss is about. A contract is a contract.

replies(2): >>41909584 #>>41910543 #
1. sourcepluck ◴[] No.41909584[source]
Yeah, just like the supermarket club cards are good for shoppers.

A similar psychological thing is going on in both cases I feel - some minority will manage to emerge winners due to a mixture of persistence, intelligence, luck, greed, etc. And the majority will get squeezed, or else how would such large percentages of marketing budgets continue to be pumped into club card and subscription schemes.