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tptacek ◴[] No.41908565[source]
This is a good way for Ars to generate clicks and a more honest headline probably wouldn't move the needle much, but it's worth being clear for HN that the objection here is not that locked phones are good for consumers, but that the subsidization deals locked phones enable are.
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nothercastle ◴[] No.41908679[source]
They aren’t though. Subsidized phones are like monthly car payments drive up costs and are targeted at people bad at math.

If consumers paid out of pocket for their phones then they would be more picky about upgrading and plan prices. It would also make upselling shitty plan features harder so the carriers would loose a lot of money.

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mattmaroon ◴[] No.41908828[source]
I don’t know, my phone carrier charges me zero interest to “buy” my phone on a 36 month loan because of it. It’s not a huge financial windfall by any means, but it’s absolutely money in my pocket.
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Retric ◴[] No.41909027[source]
In a competitive market ‘free’ interest deals just mean higher monthly premiums for basic service.

AT&T’s prepaid plans start at is 25$/month for unlimited calls & text, “Unlimited” data (After 16GB it degrades to 1.5mbps) + 10Gb tethering. Meanwhile their cheapest regular plan is 50$/month for worse service (4GB data).

Sure they don’t offer the best plans prepaid, but that’s basic price discrimination.

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1. nine_k ◴[] No.41909138[source]
Hey, it's the cost of credit.

With a prepaid plan, you credit the operator, because you pay upfront, and the service is rendered after it, and ceases if your balance goes below zero.

With regular plans, the operator credits you, and you can be late with your payment for many days before the operator ceases servicing you.

So it's a month worth if credit, plus a different risk profile.

Also, it's market segmentation: the prepaid plan is the gateway drug %)

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2. gruez ◴[] No.41909724[source]
There's no way the credit risk on the post paid plans are anywhere high enough to justify the higher prices.
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