←back to thread

197 points LorenDB | 5 comments | | HN request time: 0.001s | source
Show context
tptacek ◴[] No.41908565[source]
This is a good way for Ars to generate clicks and a more honest headline probably wouldn't move the needle much, but it's worth being clear for HN that the objection here is not that locked phones are good for consumers, but that the subsidization deals locked phones enable are.
replies(11): >>41908581 #>>41908673 #>>41908679 #>>41908875 #>>41908906 #>>41909375 #>>41909380 #>>41909447 #>>41909558 #>>41911205 #>>41911215 #
nothercastle ◴[] No.41908679[source]
They aren’t though. Subsidized phones are like monthly car payments drive up costs and are targeted at people bad at math.

If consumers paid out of pocket for their phones then they would be more picky about upgrading and plan prices. It would also make upselling shitty plan features harder so the carriers would loose a lot of money.

replies(7): >>41908735 #>>41908766 #>>41908828 #>>41909010 #>>41909194 #>>41909329 #>>41909562 #
cmeacham98 ◴[] No.41908766[source]
I would agree with you (financing small purchases like a phone is a bad idea and causes people to spend money they shouldn't), but that doesn't make the clickbait acceptable. Ars Technica should accurately report the claims of the telco industry.
replies(2): >>41908799 #>>41909304 #
DaiPlusPlus ◴[] No.41908799[source]
Most people don’t live in your affluent bubble where, apparently, a $500 to $2,000 expense is a “small purchase”.
replies(4): >>41908827 #>>41908915 #>>41909013 #>>41909336 #
Always42 ◴[] No.41908827[source]
You don’t need to pay $500 to $2000 for a phone. I don’t think I have ever paid that much.
replies(3): >>41908867 #>>41908893 #>>41909245 #
throwaway48476 ◴[] No.41908893[source]
Cheaper phones have a way higher value/$ ratio. Instead of financializing expensive phones the market should encourage cheaper phones through increased demand.
replies(2): >>41908966 #>>41909283 #
MichaelZuo ◴[] No.41908966{3}[source]
Who will fund R&D into new innovations then?

Cheaper phones by definition have slimmer margins.

replies(1): >>41908984 #
throwaway48476 ◴[] No.41908984{4}[source]
I'm not saying all phones should be cheap. The market for premium phones has and will continue to exist. And who's to say finding ways to reduce the cost to produce phones isn't innovation?

I find that markets that are financialized where the price of the good is obfuscated are less efficient. This is because efficient markets rely on price discovery. Healthcare is an excellent example of this.

replies(1): >>41909037 #
1. MichaelZuo ◴[] No.41909037{5}[source]
I think it's impossible to buy a phone from any of the major carriers online without seeing the full upfront price at least a few times on screen.

And in store there's clearly the price tag right beside the demo model.

So hard to see how its obsfucated like healthcare.

replies(1): >>41909071 #
2. throwaway48476 ◴[] No.41909071[source]
I buy cheap phones for projects so have experienced exactly this. If you go on any prepaid WISP site and look at their device selection ordered by lowest price there's always an asterisk and the quoted price is based on some kind of contract.
replies(1): >>41909243 #
3. MichaelZuo ◴[] No.41909243[source]
The prepaid phone models available are usually the cheaper phones?

Or is there some carrier that sells the expensive $1000+ phones on prepaid plans?

replies(1): >>41909365 #
4. throwaway48476 ◴[] No.41909365{3}[source]
Typically the $1000+ premium phone market is for unlocked phones sold directly from the manufacturer.

The locked phones are usually sub $250 and have some kind of finacial gimmick to get the sticker price lower. Often it will be some carrier specific model name. Just sort by price low to high and you'll find them.

replies(1): >>41909613 #
5. MichaelZuo ◴[] No.41909613{4}[source]
Huh? I'm talking about the US?

ATT, Verizon, and Tmobile are selling many many expensive phones, locked, on 24 momth payment plans, literally hundreds of possible configurations of dozens of models.