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US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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410 points jjulius | 1 comments | 18 Oct 24 16:01 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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UltraSane ◴[19 Oct 24 03:23 UTC] No.41885410[source]▶
I'm astonished at how long Musk has been able to keep his autonomous driving con going. He has been lying about it to inflate Tesla shares for 10 years now.
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porphyra ◴[19 Oct 24 03:42 UTC] No.41885487[source]▶
Just because it has taken 10 years longer than promised doesn't mean that it will never happen. FSD has made huge improvements this year and is on track to keep up the current pace so it actually does seem closer than ever.
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UltraSane ◴[19 Oct 24 03:52 UTC] No.41885527[source]▶
The current vision-only system is a clear technological dead-end that can't go much more than 10 miles between "disengagements". To be clear, "disengagements" would be crashes if a human wasn't ready to take over. And not needing a human driver is THE ENTIRE POINT! I will admit Musk isn't a liar when Tesla has FSD at least as good as Waymo's system and Tesla accepts legal liability for any crashes.
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valval ◴[19 Oct 24 07:11 UTC] No.41886198[source]▶
You’re wrong. Nothing about this is clear, and you’d be silly to claim otherwise.

You should explore your bias and where it’s coming from.

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UltraSane ◴[19 Oct 24 14:19 UTC] No.41887902[source]▶
No Tesla vehicle has legally driven even a single mile with no driver in the driver's seat. They aren't even trying to play Waymo's game. The latest FSD software's failure rate is at least 100 times higher than it needs to be.
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fallingknife ◴[19 Oct 24 14:57 UTC] No.41888135[source]▶
That's a stupid point. I've been in a Tesla that's driven a mile by itself. It makes no difference if a person is in the seat.
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UltraSane ◴[19 Oct 24 15:43 UTC] No.41888440[source]▶
"It makes no difference if a person is in the seat." It does when Musk is claiming that Tesla is going to sell a car with no steering wheel!

The current Tesla FSD fails so often that a human HAS to be in the driver seat ready to take over at any moment.

You really don't understand the enormous difference between the current crappy level 2 Tesla FSD and Waymo's level 4 system?

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valval ◴[19 Oct 24 19:12 UTC] No.41889921{3}[source]▶
The difference is that Tesla has a general algorithm, while Waymo is hard coding scenarios.

I never really got why people bring Waymo up every time Tesla’s FSD is mentioned. Waymo isn’t competing with Tesla’s vision.

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UltraSane ◴[19 Oct 24 22:32 UTC] No.41891302{4}[source]▶
The difference is that Waymo has a very well engineered system using vision, LIDAR, and millimeter wave RADAR that works well enough in limited areas to provide tens of thousands of actual driver-less rides. Tesla has a vision only system that sucks so bad a human has to be ready to take over for it at any time like a parent monitoring a toddler near stairs.
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valval ◴[21 Oct 24 07:40 UTC] No.41901655{5}[source]▶
Wait until you hear Waymo has people ready to step in with remote controls at all times.
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1. UltraSane ◴[21 Oct 24 16:53 UTC] No.41906016{6}[source]▶
NO. Waymo cars are never remote-controlled. Remote controlling cars in traffic is too dangerous do to latency severely limited. What Waymo does is have operators provide hints. At no time is the autonomous system ever disabled. Just another example of how much better engineered Waymo is than Tesla's FSD scam.