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prepend ◴[20 Oct 24 18:50 UTC] No.41897599[source]▶
My kids’ school added a new weapons scanner as kids walk in the door. It’s powered by “AI.” They trust the AI quite a bit.

However, the AI identifies the school issued Lenovo laptops as weapons. So every kid was flagged. Rather than stopping using such a stupid tool, they just have the kids remove their laptops before going through the scanner.

I expect not smart enough people are buying “AI” products and trusting them to do the things they want them to do, but don’t work.

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closewith ◴[21 Oct 24 06:51 UTC] No.41901375[source]▶
Reading this comment, it sounds to me that you live in a dystopian nightmare.
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1. briandear ◴[21 Oct 24 08:36 UTC] No.41901942[source]▶
“Regularly” is not a particularly accurate word.

50 million K12 students in the U.S. — how many mass murders are “regular?”

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2. pjc50 ◴[21 Oct 24 09:01 UTC] No.41902073[source]▶
Any at all? I don't think Americans realize how much of a US-only problem it is, and how some of the non-US mass shootings are explicitly inspired by US media and discourse.
3. sqeaky ◴[21 Oct 24 09:04 UTC] No.41902085[source]▶
More than once a week not quite once a day.

Rather than trying to diminish something that's completely preventable and abhorrent maybe we could discuss ways to actually prevent it. Because this isn't a problem anywhere else so clearly it's preventable.

If AI can be part of a solution here this is a reasonable place to discuss it.

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4. bigstrat2003 ◴[21 Oct 24 09:11 UTC] No.41902129[source]▶
Nobody said we shouldn't try to solve the problem. But the first step is accurately describing the problem to be solved. Something that occurs once a year across the entire country has very different solutions than something which occurs once a week in every county.
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5. closewith ◴[21 Oct 24 09:18 UTC] No.41902178[source]▶
I wonder if you realise how much of a dystopian nightmare you have to be living in to write a comment like this and consider it reasonable.
6. immibis ◴[21 Oct 24 11:30 UTC] No.41902988{3}[source]▶
More than once a week is regularly. Doesn't matter how wide the geographical area is - ANY school in the USA might be next, so they ALL have to take precautions.
7. croo ◴[21 Oct 24 11:30 UTC] No.41902990[source]▶
I had the same line of thought as I am not following the topic and media hype can make an elephant out of a mouse.

But based on this 2022 statistics USA really has a thing going on with school shootings... more than a hundred per year is way too much. I would definitely consider it "regularly" even if it seems a low number statistically (50 million students === 1 shooter / 500000 student ~?~ 1 shooting / 1000 school).

https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/19982.jpeg

8. hnlmorg ◴[21 Oct 24 11:43 UTC] No.41903068{3}[source]▶
The problem is already well defined as regular school shootings. I don’t think redescribing the problem helps anyone apart from the NRA.
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9. sqeaky ◴[25 Oct 24 16:16 UTC] No.41946709{4}[source]▶
Yeah, sadly we already know the solution, ban or heavily restrict guns.

Every place with more guns has more shootings. It is so simple it seems almost tautological. Yet somehow this very simple fact is controversial.