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427 points JumpCrisscross | 23 comments | 20 Oct 24 17:26 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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prepend ◴[20 Oct 24 18:50 UTC] No.41897599[source]▶
My kids’ school added a new weapons scanner as kids walk in the door. It’s powered by “AI.” They trust the AI quite a bit.

However, the AI identifies the school issued Lenovo laptops as weapons. So every kid was flagged. Rather than stopping using such a stupid tool, they just have the kids remove their laptops before going through the scanner.

I expect not smart enough people are buying “AI” products and trusting them to do the things they want them to do, but don’t work.

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1. closewith ◴[21 Oct 24 06:51 UTC] No.41901375[source]▶
Reading this comment, it sounds to me that you live in a dystopian nightmare.
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2. MathMonkeyMan ◴[21 Oct 24 07:26 UTC] No.41901559[source]▶
Many schools are prisons, same as ever.
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3. Cthulhu_ ◴[21 Oct 24 07:56 UTC] No.41901735[source]▶
Clearly the answer is airport grade security at schools and militarizing police, instead of fixing the root causes.
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4. briandear ◴[21 Oct 24 08:36 UTC] No.41901942[source]▶
“Regularly” is not a particularly accurate word.

50 million K12 students in the U.S. — how many mass murders are “regular?”

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5. pjc50 ◴[21 Oct 24 09:01 UTC] No.41902073{3}[source]▶
Any at all? I don't think Americans realize how much of a US-only problem it is, and how some of the non-US mass shootings are explicitly inspired by US media and discourse.
6. sqeaky ◴[21 Oct 24 09:04 UTC] No.41902085{3}[source]▶
More than once a week not quite once a day.

Rather than trying to diminish something that's completely preventable and abhorrent maybe we could discuss ways to actually prevent it. Because this isn't a problem anywhere else so clearly it's preventable.

If AI can be part of a solution here this is a reasonable place to discuss it.

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7. bigstrat2003 ◴[21 Oct 24 09:11 UTC] No.41902129{4}[source]▶
Nobody said we shouldn't try to solve the problem. But the first step is accurately describing the problem to be solved. Something that occurs once a year across the entire country has very different solutions than something which occurs once a week in every county.
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8. closewith ◴[21 Oct 24 09:18 UTC] No.41902178{3}[source]▶
I wonder if you realise how much of a dystopian nightmare you have to be living in to write a comment like this and consider it reasonable.
9. wrasee ◴[21 Oct 24 10:35 UTC] No.41902667[source]▶
No, they’re inverted prisons.
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10. immibis ◴[21 Oct 24 11:30 UTC] No.41902988{5}[source]▶
More than once a week is regularly. Doesn't matter how wide the geographical area is - ANY school in the USA might be next, so they ALL have to take precautions.
11. croo ◴[21 Oct 24 11:30 UTC] No.41902990{3}[source]▶
I had the same line of thought as I am not following the topic and media hype can make an elephant out of a mouse.

But based on this 2022 statistics USA really has a thing going on with school shootings... more than a hundred per year is way too much. I would definitely consider it "regularly" even if it seems a low number statistically (50 million students === 1 shooter / 500000 student ~?~ 1 shooting / 1000 school).

https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/19982.jpeg

12. hnlmorg ◴[21 Oct 24 11:43 UTC] No.41903068{5}[source]▶
The problem is already well defined as regular school shootings. I don’t think redescribing the problem helps anyone apart from the NRA.
13. umanwizard ◴[21 Oct 24 12:35 UTC] No.41903488{3}[source]▶
Nobody knows how to fix the root causes.
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14. closewith ◴[21 Oct 24 12:50 UTC] No.41903609{4}[source]▶
Poe's law strikes again.

> 'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27No_Way_to_Prevent_This,%27_...

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15. tonypace ◴[21 Oct 24 12:52 UTC] No.41903630[source]▶
All pre-secondary schools are designed to control the movements of students. It is one of their fundamental benefits to society.
16. marci ◴[21 Oct 24 12:59 UTC] No.41903691{4}[source]▶
Thoughts and prayers.

And reduce as much as possible gun control.

Should eventually work. That's how they avoid it everywhere else, no?

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17. umanwizard ◴[21 Oct 24 13:00 UTC] No.41903704{5}[source]▶
The political system in the US is unique among developed countries. What, concretely, do you suggest should be done?
18. umanwizard ◴[21 Oct 24 13:11 UTC] No.41903803{5}[source]▶
How do you suggest we reduce the prevalence of guns / improve gun control in the US? Keep in mind that the US is not a functioning democracy and its political system is structured to allow any side to block any substantial reform.
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19. prepend ◴[21 Oct 24 13:32 UTC] No.41903987[source]▶
Perhaps. Can’t afford books and friend trips, spending on buggy AI scanners.
20. ndileas ◴[21 Oct 24 16:23 UTC] No.41905739{3}[source]▶
They're designed to isolate and control everyone outside of them in order to keep the children inside safe? That is certainly an opinion.
21. BobaFloutist ◴[21 Oct 24 18:31 UTC] No.41906964[source]▶
Yes, but the nightmare is that we can't assume that children won't have guns on them.
22. marci ◴[22 Oct 24 01:08 UTC] No.41910210{6}[source]▶
Are you answering your own question? I read your reply as :

"How do we stop Z? X and Y are the cause of Z.

The thing is, I said gun control, but I'm not even sure that's real issue. I kinda took it backward. There are mass shootings because of the ease of access to guns, but it's not the ease of access to guns that pushes people to this.

In other ords, remove the guns, the mechanisms that drive people to think they want to kill remains. I might be wrong but it feels like in Europe there are more and more cold weapons attacks, or the use of ramming trucks.

I guess I have no suggestions.

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23. umanwizard ◴[22 Oct 24 04:08 UTC] No.41911101{7}[source]▶
Gun control can’t be implemented in the US because the political system makes it impossible to do so. I don’t know any way to change this.

As for the problems that would persist even if we could ban guns: I don’t know how to fix those, either.