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373 points h2odragon | 6 comments | 19 Oct 24 17:27 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source | bottom
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rglullis ◴[19 Oct 24 19:05 UTC] No.41889863[source]▶
I am seriously considering creating a dropship company focused exclusively on buying and selling electronic components that are sold for parts and people can assemble them at home, Ikea-style.

I would start with selling 50" and 65" inch "dumb" TVs. Just the panel, a nice enclosure and a board with an IR receiver, TV tuner and HDMI outputs. BYO top box and Soundbar. I wonder how fast it would take to get 10000 orders.

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silisili ◴[19 Oct 24 19:56 UTC] No.41890295[source]▶
I think you'll find the price at that volume and without subsidy a bit higher than a lot of people want to pay.

It may be cheaper and even easier to just buy and somehow modify Onn/Hisense into dumb displays, though I've never explored the idea myself to know how feasible it even is.

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leptons ◴[19 Oct 24 20:37 UTC] No.41890602[source]▶
Just don't connect the "smart" Tv to the internet. It's still a "dumb display" if you don't give it internet access. Don't give it wifi access, don't plug in an ethernet cable.
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rglullis ◴[20 Oct 24 20:22 UTC] No.41898212[source]▶
Yeah, let's keep rewarding the companies that are profiting from weaponizing consumer electronics by buying from them, instead of promoting an alternative that offers something that actually is what people want.
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leptons ◴[20 Oct 24 20:41 UTC] No.41898290[source]▶
It's not really rewarding the company if they are subsidizing the price of the TV by selling people's information through the "smart" part of the TV, when you don't participate in the "smart" part of it. You got a cheaper TV, didn't hand over any of your info, so the company loses money on the "smart" TV.
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rglullis ◴[20 Oct 24 22:06 UTC] No.41898875[source]▶
The manufacturer is not losing money on the device. Google/Amazon are paying them to get their spyware crap on the device.

> You got a cheaper TV, didn't hand over any of your info...

But you are still enabling Surveillance Capitalism. Even if you think you personal data is safe, the system still exploits the majority of the consumer market.

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1. leptons ◴[21 Oct 24 05:23 UTC] No.41900905[source]▶
Nobody is being rewarded when I don't connect the subsidised "smart" TV to the internet.

There are other kinds of very cheap TVs with forced ads and tracking that require an internet connection to function at all, but those are a whole other story entierly, and we aren't talking about those here.

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2. rglullis ◴[21 Oct 24 12:41 UTC] No.41903543[source]▶
The manufacturer is being rewarded. You just bought a TV from them. They are making money anyway. The revenue from the data selling is just extra.
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3. leptons ◴[21 Oct 24 18:31 UTC] No.41906973[source]▶
That's a win-win-win in my book. I get a cheap device, manufacturer sells a device, evil data collection companies don't get my data. The rest of you can connect your tv to the internet and have creeps do stuff with your data, I really don't care what you do. And really, why should anyone be worried that some company knows you watch family feud instead of the price is right.
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4. rglullis ◴[21 Oct 24 21:42 UTC] No.41908823{3}[source]▶
> The rest of you can connect your TV to the internet and have creeps do stuff with your data,

Your data is still getting collected, just not through the TV.

> I really don't care what you do.

What if you were told that ad companies are still going to be able to target you just by collecting data from others like you?

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5. leptons ◴[21 Oct 24 23:27 UTC] No.41909617{4}[source]▶
What if you were told that I've worked for those ad companies, I know all the tricks they use, and I know extremely well how they target me - and I'm still not worried about buying a "smart" TV and using it while not connecting it to the internet.
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6. rglullis ◴[22 Oct 24 02:43 UTC] No.41910701{5}[source]▶
> I've worked for those ad companies

Well, then I definitely don't trust your moral compass and this whole discussion is pointless.