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tastysandwich ◴[] No.41899114[source]
Seems like everyone loves to hate Ubuntu lately. From the Amazon search icon years ago, to Snaps, Mir, "pro" updates (which I don't get the backlash about..).

But man, I started using this distro 18 years ago? And I still use it today. I can tell you, it's gotten more usable, more stable, and easier to install, without (imo) sacrificing any of what we love about Linux systems. If you hate snaps you can just remove them.

It's an OS I can easily recommend to beginners who want to dip their toes in the Linux world. They can install it without any help.

And I get that so much is a testament to the software Ubuntu uses getting better. But it brings it all together in such a great way.

I used Arch Linux for a few years. But I didn't really like having to check message boards for any breaking changes before updating lest my system become unusable... As a busy professional and dad, I don't see myself switching off of Ubuntu anytime soon.

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m463 ◴[] No.41899249[source]
> If you hate snaps you can just remove them.

lol.

ubuntu makes it really hard for you to regain control of their system.

https://askubuntu.com/questions/1035915/how-to-remove-snap-f...

https://askubuntu.com/questions/1322292/how-do-i-turn-off-au...

https://askubuntu.com/questions/676374/how-to-disable-welcom...

https://askubuntu.com/questions/1434512/how-to-get-rid-of-ub...

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jakebasile ◴[] No.41899388[source]
If you don't like Snap, use a distro that doesn't use Snap. If you pick a Snap distro it's just making your life harder for the sake of being difficult.

This applies to many things in Linux world in addition to Snap:

- systemd/sysvinit

- Wayland/X

- apt/rpm

- Musl/glibc

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pbhjpbhj ◴[] No.41899568[source]
Yes, but when you just update as you've done many times and then several of the main apps don't work, then it's not a case of 'just pick a non-snap distro' as you already did that. Canonical have been aggressive in changes to snap only, reversing changes that would normally prevent their install. Now they've gone with 'pro', again using the installation system against their users.

When you've used the same distro (Kubuntu for me) for many years, the forced choosing of a different distro with the need to migrate, ... it's like you're back with Microsoft again.

I'm still unpicking the situation because moving ones family to a new OS is hard work (for me).

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1. jakebasile ◴[] No.41899716[source]
Ubuntu was never a non-Snap distro. It was always a distribution provided by Canonical wherein they make decisions for you based on their own criteria. Snap became one of those decisions. I can't help but think of "Open Source is Not About You" by Rich Hickey.

If Canonical is, as you say, using Ubuntu _against_ users (and not, in what is much more likely, simply making a decision that you disagree with) why would you want to continue using it? They have root on all your systems via apt.

Personally, I can't wait to try the all-Snap flavor whenever it's ready. I'm curious if it will work for my usage (gaming in particular).