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WalterBright ◴[] No.41892704[source]
It's too bad that Elon Musk and Kelly Johnson never met. Both are engineers' engineers doing impossible things, and I bet they would have had a blast.
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defrost ◴[] No.41892758[source]
One is a qualified engineer with a Bachelor's and Master's Degree in Aeronautical Engineering and demonstrated hands on ability designing and building complex new designs, the other manages Engineers with a "Physics for Business Majors" unit and a Homer Simpson approach to practicality.

Hats off to the Engineers Engineers that Engineered the chopsticks catch, there were quite a few getting into the technical weeds:

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F2...

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WalterBright ◴[] No.41892822[source]
Yes, anyone could have done what Musk did. But only Musk did it.

P.S. I've read full length biographies of both, and am an ME/AE engineer myself. I think I have at least some grasp of what they have accomplished.

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gradschoolfail ◴[] No.41892980{3}[source]
May the gods of equanimity forgive my snarky intrusion.. if a bit-hacker gets into a fight [bitva] with a it-hacker, i’m ever only going to side with the it-hacker (even if the elite ex-it-hacker bit-hacker has a history of lauding (/laundering the reps of reputed) it-hackers..

I dont know what the general solution is here.. make sure (organizational) Hierarchies are as fluid as the Recompense (including, by reputation) & Responsibilties, i suppose

nu_H = nu_RR

where nu has units of viscosity

Failing so, i’d prefer to defer judgement after we’ve had blood samples from both Kelly n Musk. (For lead, fluoride, other psychoactives etc)

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1. 082349872349872 ◴[] No.41897578{4}[source]
what about volume viscosity? or did "fluid" imply incompressible Hierarchies?

(IMX rapidly expanding Hierarchies do not [pace Landau] relax on a negligible time scale)

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2. gradschoolfail ◴[] No.41899352[source]
Compressible is the usual case, no? Non-negligible timescales are fine in my book.. (probably in yours too, if you believe that turning a low trust society into a high trust society one is possible, by injecting a something or other)

Length scales are impt too, we are obsessed with highly localized organizations like Musk’s (other than X) & Kelly’s because they seem so effective but the most insidious ones tend to rely on (the discrepancy bewtween?) long (or even mid) range info/materiel exchanges..

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3. gradschoolfail ◴[] No.41900198[source]
Oops by “Faraday” i meant “Franklin” cofather of the french revolution, not the anglo revolution..

(Wuz thinking how the revolutionary structures (i.e. artillery stds?) were mostly already in place for decades before NB)

Q: how did these not diffuse to french navy? [Boudriot-Berti]?

L? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17498577

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4. 082349872349872 ◴[] No.41902317{3}[source]
Note that Bernadotte (in imperial disfavour in summer 1809 [p15], adopted to form current swedish ruling house in fall 1810) played his psychopath cards well.

> Napoleon would dictate to his secretaries exactly what he wanted published in the Paris newspaper [p22]

> « Je redoute trois journaux plus que 100.000 baïonnettes. » (I fear 3 newspapers more than 100'000 infantry) —NB

There's a nice (but very long) soviet joke that concludes with Bonaparte admiring Pravda.

> the Emperor makes war not with our arms but with our legs [p28]

As in the days of the Renaissance Condottieri; oddly enough the same is true in fencing: whoever has the stronger legs controls the distance (I wouldn't be surprised if 膝行 had been meant as leg training in the land of 間合い).

I wonder if the reliance on foraging for manoeuvre was part of his defeat by General Winter? Early canning (jarring in champagne bottles, I believe) had been developed under his version of ARPA, but I don't know if he had had that logistical element in 1812, nor if it would have been available much beyond metropolitan france.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_invasion_of_Russia#Logi... suggests french planning had assumed russia would be nearly as dense as poland.

EDIT: when in high-functioning global teams, I've noticed how time zone diversity allows development to proceed nearly continuously; B's habit [p24] of sleeping from 19h00-01h00, in order to process yesterday's reports and get the new Orders of the Day out (~03h00) before his army woke up, seems similar.

EDIT2: (a) no such thing as foraging for a blue-water cruising naval vessel, (b) navies already operated with admirals using flag signals to coordinate their fleets, and (c) before modern comms, navies were already nearly "relativistic" in that news travelled about as fast as they did and so, eg if you sent a captain to the indies you had to have great confidence in them, because it'd take on the order of a year to close the accountability loop.

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5. 082349872349872 ◴[] No.41909376{4}[source]
Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9g4Md_huII