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US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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410 points jjulius | 4 comments | 18 Oct 24 16:01 UTC | HN request time: 0.017s | source
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deergomoo ◴[20 Oct 24 16:15 UTC] No.41896361[source]▶
This is an opinion almost certainly based more in emotion than logic, but I don't think I could trust any sort of fully autonomous driving system that didn't involve communication with transmitters along the road itself (like a glideslope and localiser for aircraft approaches) and with other cars on the road.

Motorway driving sure, there it's closer to fancy cruise control. But around town, no thank you. I regularly drive through some really crappily designed bits of road, like unlabelled approaches to multi-lane roundabouts where the lane you need to be in for a particular exit sorta just depends on what the people in front and to the side of you happen to have chosen. If it's difficult as a human to work out what the intent is, I don't trust a largely computer vision-based system to work it out.

The roads here are also in a terrible state, and the lines on them even moreso. There's one particular patch of road where the lane keep assist in my car regularly tries to steer me into the central reservation, because repair work has left what looks a bit like lane markings diagonally across the lane.

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michaelt ◴[20 Oct 24 16:26 UTC] No.41896472[source]▶
> If it's difficult as a human to work out what the intent is, I don't trust a largely computer vision-based system to work it out.

Most likely, every self-driving car company will send drivers down every road in the country, recording everything they see. Then they'll have human labellers figure out any junctions where the road markings are ambiguous.

They've had sat nav maps covering every road for decades, and the likes of Google Street View, so to have a detailed map of every junction is totally possible.

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deergomoo ◴[20 Oct 24 16:38 UTC] No.41896569[source]▶
In that case I hope they're prepared to work with local authorities to immediately update the map every time road layouts change, temporarily or permanently. Google Maps gets lane guidance wrong very often in my experience, so that doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.
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1. crazygringo ◴[20 Oct 24 16:50 UTC] No.41896690[source]▶
I kind of assumed that already happened. Does it not? Is anyone pushing for it?

Honestly it seems like it ought to be federal law by now that municipalities need to notify a designated centralized service of all road/lane/sign/etc. changes in a standardized format, that all digital mapping providers can ingest from.

Is this not a thing? If not, is anyone lobbying for it? Is there opposition?

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2. jjav ◴[20 Oct 24 17:06 UTC] No.41896824[source]▶
> I kind of assumed that already happened.

Road layout can change daily, sometimes multiple times per day. Sometimes in a second, like when a tree falls on a lane and now you have to reroute on the oncoming lane for some distance, etc.

3. lukan ◴[20 Oct 24 17:45 UTC] No.41897109[source]▶
"Honestly it seems like it ought to be federal law by now that municipalities need to notify a designated centralized service of all road/lane/sign/etc. changes in a standardized format, that all digital mapping providers can ingest from"

Why not just anyone and make that data openly avaiable?

4. fweimer ◴[20 Oct 24 17:45 UTC] No.41897116[source]▶
Coordinating roadwork is challenging in most places, I think. Over here, it's apparently cheaper to open up a road multiple times in a year, rather than coordinating all the different parties that need underground access in the foreseeable future.