US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

I'm astonished at how long Musk has been able to keep his autonomous driving con going. He has been lying about it to inflate Tesla shares for 10 years now.

Just because it has taken 10 years longer than promised doesn't mean that it will never happen. FSD has made huge improvements this year and is on track to keep up the current pace so it actually does seem closer than ever.

The current vision-only system is a clear technological dead-end that can't go much more than 10 miles between "disengagements". To be clear, "disengagements" would be crashes if a human wasn't ready to take over. And not needing a human driver is THE ENTIRE POINT! I will admit Musk isn't a liar when Tesla has FSD at least as good as Waymo's system and Tesla accepts legal liability for any crashes.

You’re wrong. Nothing about this is clear, and you’d be silly to claim otherwise.

You should explore your bias and where it’s coming from.

No Tesla vehicle has legally driven even a single mile with no driver in the driver's seat. They aren't even trying to play Waymo's game. The latest FSD software's failure rate is at least 100 times higher than it needs to be.

That's a stupid point. I've been in a Tesla that's driven a mile by itself. It makes no difference if a person is in the seat.

"It makes no difference if a person is in the seat." It does when Musk is claiming that Tesla is going to sell a car with no steering wheel!

The current Tesla FSD fails so often that a human HAS to be in the driver seat ready to take over at any moment.

You really don't understand the enormous difference between the current crappy level 2 Tesla FSD and Waymo's level 4 system?

The difference is that Tesla has a general algorithm, while Waymo is hard coding scenarios.

I never really got why people bring Waymo up every time Tesla’s FSD is mentioned. Waymo isn’t competing with Tesla’s vision.

Waymo uses a learned planner and is far from "hardcoded". In any case, imo both of these can be true:

* Tesla FSD works surprisingly well and improving capabilities to hands free actual autonomy isn't as far fetched as one might think.

* Waymo beat them to robotaxi deployment and scaling up to multiple cities may not be as hard as people say.

It seems that self driving car fans are way too tribal and seem to be convinced that the "other side" sucks and is guaranteed to fail. In reality, it is very unclear as both strategies have their merits and only time will tell in the long run.