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276 points leonry | 5 comments | 19 Oct 24 12:17 UTC | HN request time: 1.067s | source
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Arubis ◴[19 Oct 24 17:24 UTC] No.41889117[source]▶
Best of luck to the author! My understanding is that anything that makes large file sharing easy and anonymous rapidly gets flooded with CSAM and ends up shuttering themselves for the good of all. Would love to see a non-invasive yet effective way to prevent such an incursion.
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ghostly_s ◴[19 Oct 24 19:22 UTC] No.41890019[source]▶
If it's truly e2e how would they even know what's being shared on it?
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immibis ◴[19 Oct 24 19:31 UTC] No.41890094[source]▶
Because some people would tell them. For example, the FBI would look at a child porn sharing forum and observe a lot of people sharing Send links. Then they would go to the operators of Send servers, and "strongly suggest" that it should shut down.
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1. KomoD ◴[19 Oct 24 20:30 UTC] No.41890553[source]▶
> and "strongly suggest" that it should shut down.

I don't know about that, is there any documented case of that?

I feel like they'd probably just contact them and ask for removal of the file(s) and to forward any logs?

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2. jasonjayr ◴[20 Oct 24 01:11 UTC] No.41892100[source]▶
"We know that this link includes material that is illegal to possess, and it is on your server."

"We don't know the contents of the files on our server, so we can't know that is was illegal"

"Fine, delete that file, and we won't charge you for possession this time. Now that you know your service is used for this illegal material, you need to stop hosting material like that."

"How, if we don't know what's in the file sent to our server?"

"... maybe don't take random files you don't know about, and share them on the open web with anonymous users?"

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3. snowe2010 ◴[20 Oct 24 07:09 UTC] No.41893517[source]▶
That’s not how csam reporting works at all. You aren’t punished for csam being on your server, as long as you do something about it. You can easily set up cloudflare to block and report csam to the NCMEC (not the FBI) and it will all be handled automatically.
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4. immibis ◴[20 Oct 24 08:33 UTC] No.41893897{3}[source]▶
Maybe a judge would see it that way, but FBI agents aren't required to act like judges.
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5. snowe2010 ◴[20 Oct 24 14:54 UTC] No.41895731{4}[source]▶
The fbi literally only investigates if the ncmec tells them to.

https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/violent-crime/vcac