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freedomben ◴[] No.41882500[source]
It's ironic that farmers (traditionally thought of as less technical people, "workers of the earth", etc) and hackers (highly technical nerds writing operating systems and engineering compatibility parts) are so connected by this issue. Some of the farmers I've talked to understand the importance ownership and right to repair better than even many engineers.

That said, I think John Deere is just the asshole willing to weaponize the legal system to enforce their dreams. The real problem is laws that protect IP like the DMCA and the patent system. I'm not saying we should just delete all those, but they are in bad need of reform and enable a tremendous amount of abuse. The abuse is only going to get worse unless we treat the cause(s) rather than just the symptoms.

I'm glad the feds are giving John Deere some attention, but I really hope they are going to fix the lopsided system instead of just try to bully or micro-regulate John Deere into "voluntarily" allowing more repair. If we stopped unleashing the lawyers on people for modifying or interfacing with devices they purchased, it would shift the balance of power more toward the center (whereas currently the power is almost entirely on the side of the companies).

Even if you have no interest in repairing or "tinkering" with your own stuff, you should be on the side of right to repair.

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UniverseHacker ◴[] No.41884071[source]
Farmers are - and have been for most of history - some of the Most technical people on the planet… probably more so then your modern “hacker” that probably couldn’t actually disassemble and repair most of the things they own and use.

I spent a summer working on a 3rd generation family farm, and it was one of the most technically competent workplaces I’ve ever seen. The owner had a degree in agricultural engineering, and dozens of patents from farming equipment he initially invented for his own use. Much of the equipment they used day to day was designed and built on site and they had a full machine shop, electrical shop, etc. Modern equipment like combines are so complex, automation heavy, and unreliable that they are usually operated by master mechanics that also weld, code, and are otherwise primarily technical people. When those multi-million dollar machines break- which happens daily- they are losing money fast and need to fix it immediately, right there in the field.

The idea of farmers as uneducated non-technical people is an ignorant stereotype held by urban people that have no clue what farms are really like.

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datavirtue ◴[] No.41888694[source]
Can you blame them? If you drive through farm country you see crazy Trump effigies everywhere and Trump/Vance signs in every yard.

So it's difficult to know that these people don't care about Trump at all and think he is just as ridiculous as you do. They just hate the Democrats so much that they will do anything they can to stop them. The reasons are numerous and valid, btw.

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1. UniverseHacker ◴[] No.41889288{3}[source]
Indeed the situation isn’t as simple as it seems on the surface. The 3rd generation farmer/inventor I mentioned above is an environmentalist and many of his inventions are focused on improving the long term sustainability and environmental impact of farming- he liked to talk about how he wants the farm to be sustainable to pass down for many more generations by protecting the soil quality, water table, etc. Yet he also has massive signs all over his land supporting conservative politicians. Most likely not because he really likes or agrees with them on much, but because he believes their opponents are actively trying to shut his farm down. I couldn’t say more, because I actively avoid having political discussions with my boss.