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US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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410 points jjulius | 7 comments | 18 Oct 24 16:01 UTC | HN request time: 0.389s | source | bottom
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massysett ◴[19 Oct 24 02:14 UTC] No.41885131[source]▶
"Tesla says on its website its FSD software in on-road vehicles requires active driver supervision and does not make vehicles autonomous."

Despite it being called "Full Self-Driving."

Tesla should be sued out of existence.

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1. hedora ◴[19 Oct 24 03:26 UTC] No.41885429[source]▶
Our non-Tesla has steering assist. In my 500 miles of driving before I found the buried setting that let me completely disable it, the active safety systems never made it more than 10-20 miles without attempting to actively steer the car left-of-center or into another vehicle, even when it was "turned off" via the steering wheel controls.

When it was turned on according to the dashboard UI, things were even worse. It'd disengage less than every ten miles. However, there wasn't an alarm when it disengaged, just a tiny gray blinking icon on the dash. A second or so after the blinking, it'd beep once and then pull crap like attempt a sharp left on an exit ramp that curved to the right.

I can't imagine this model kills fewer people per mile than Tesla FSD.

I think there should be a recall, but it should hit pretty much all manufacturers shipping stuff in this space.

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2. shepherdjerred ◴[19 Oct 24 03:52 UTC] No.41885522[source]▶
My Hyundai has a similar feature and it's excellent. I don't think you should be painting with such a broad brush.
3. noapologies ◴[19 Oct 24 03:54 UTC] No.41885534[source]▶
I'm not sure how any of this is related to the article. Does this non-Tesla manufacturer claim that their steering assist is "full self driving"?

If you believe their steering assist kills more people than Tesla FSD then you're welcome, encouraged even, to file a report with the NHTSA here [1].

[1] https://www.nhtsa.gov/report-a-safety-problem

4. gamblor956 ◴[19 Oct 24 04:55 UTC] No.41885730[source]▶
If what you say is true, name the car model and file a report with the NHTSA.
5. HeadsUpHigh ◴[19 Oct 24 06:47 UTC] No.41886113[source]▶
Ive had similar experience with a Hyundai with steering assist. It would get confused by messed road lining all the time. Meanwhile it had no problem climbing a road curb that was unmarked. And it would try to constantly nudge the steering wheel meaning I had to put force into holding it in place all the time since it which was extra fatigue.

Oh and it was on by default, meaning I had to disable it every time I turned the car on.

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6. shepherdjerred ◴[19 Oct 24 21:29 UTC] No.41890921[source]▶
What model year? I'm guessing it's an older one?

My Hyundai is a 2021 and I have to turn on the steering assist every time which I find annoying. My guess is that you had an earlier model where the steering assist was more liability than asset.

It's understandable that earlier versions of this kind of thing wouldn't function as well, but it is very strange that they would have it on by default.

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7. HeadsUpHigh ◴[21 Oct 24 06:40 UTC] No.41901288{3}[source]▶
>What model year? I'm guessing it's an older one?

Not 100% sure which year since it wasn't mine I think around 2018 +-2y. It was good at following bright painted white lines and nothing else. I didn't mind the beeping and the vibration when I stepped on a line but it wanted to actively steer the wheel which was infuriating. I wouldn't mind it if it was just a suggestion.