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cynicalpeace ◴[] No.41882321[source]
I'm betting against OpenAI. Sam Altman has proven himself and his company untrustworthy. In long running games, untrustworthy players lose out.

If you disagree, I would argue you have a very sad view of the world, where truth and cooperation are inferior to lies and manipulation.

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greenthrow ◴[] No.41882351[source]
Elon Musk alone disproves your theory. I wish I agreed with you, I'm sure I'd be happier. But there's just too many successful sociopaths. Hell there was a popular book about it.
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1. cynicalpeace ◴[] No.41882369[source]
Musk kicks butt and is taking us to space. He proves my theory.
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3. ben_w ◴[] No.41883281[source]
Space Musk, Tesla Musk, and Everything Else Musk, act as though they're three different people.

Space Musk promises a lot, has a grand vision, and gets stuff delivered. The price may be higher than he says and delivered later, but it's orders of magnitude better than the competition.

Tesla Musk makes and sells cars. They're ok. Not bad, not amazing, glad they precipitated the EV market, but way too pricey now that it's getting mature. Still, the showmanship is still useful for the brand.

Everything Else Musk could genuinely be improved by replacing him with an LLM: it would be just as overconfident and wrong, but cost less to get there.

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4. sgdfhijfgsdfgds ◴[] No.41883297[source]
Ehhh though he does seem to think that taking the USA to fascism is a prerequisite.

(This is, I think, an apolitical observation: whatever you think about Trump, he is arguing for a pretty major restructuring of political power in a manner that is identifiable in fascism. And Musk is, pretty unarguably, bankrolling this.)

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5. cynicalpeace ◴[] No.41883400[source]
I don't think what you're saying is true, but even if it's true, it means Elon is doing a great service solely via Space Musk.
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6. ben_w ◴[] No.41883502{3}[source]
Unfortunately for those of us who like space (the idea of being an early Martian seller is appealing to me), Everything Else Musk is hurting the reputation of the other two. Not enough to totally prevent success, but enough to be concerned about investments.
7. chasd00 ◴[] No.41883738[source]
Both political parties in the US have adopted a “you’re either with us or you’re the enemy” position.
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8. sgdfhijfgsdfgds ◴[] No.41883786{3}[source]
1) not really, only one of them talks about opponents as enemies

2) the leader of only one of them is threatening to lock up journalists, shut down broadcasters, and use the military against his enemies.

3) only one of them led an attempted autogolpe that was condemned at the time by all sides

4) Musk is only backing the one described in 1, 2 and 3 above.

It's not really arguable, all this stuff.

The guy who thinks the USA should go to Mars clearly thinks he's better throwing in his lot with the whiny strongman dude who is on record -- via his own social media platform -- as saying that the giant imaginary fraud he projected to explain his humiliating loss was a reason to terminate the Constitution.

And he's putting a lot of money into it, and co-running the ground game. But sure, he wants to go to Mars. So it's all good.

9. greenthrow ◴[] No.41884128[source]
Your crediting the work of thousands of talented people to him while similtaneously dismissing the lies that are solely his is very weird to me. Especially for someone saying trustworthiness in CEOs is so important. (I am not a Sam Altman fan either, so don't read me as defending him.)