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jasonpeacock ◴[] No.41874143[source]
How long does this cure last until the unhealthy diet & lifestyle that originally caused the insulin resistance bring it back again?

It's frustrating, as Type 2 diabetes is 100% manageable through diet. You don't even have to exercise, just eat healthy. Today, with the use of continuous glucose monitors, you have all the data you need to make informed diet decisions - you know exactly what "eat healthy" means for your body.

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sctb ◴[] No.41874297[source]
Not sarcasm: I'm sure it would be frustrating to see so much scientific and commercial effort going into treating TIID pharmacologically when you believe the solution is trivial. But you could also consider all of these developments as evidence that the prescription of "just eat healthy" isn't broadly useful.
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jasonpeacock ◴[] No.41874379[source]
100% agree, it's a modern cultural problem. We look for drug and technology solutions because "doing the right thing" is hard.
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mapt ◴[] No.41874524[source]
When you say "it's a modern cultural problem", do you mean, as most people appear to mean, "This is not a social problem worth solving, these people deserve it for their moral failings, and their death is a useful example for the rest of us"?

Most people don't actually say it out loud, but this is all directly implied by the "personal responsibility" retort that is wildly popular among people who don't actually suffer from a given malady, in response to attempts to address it collectively.

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s1artibartfast ◴[] No.41875161[source]
not OP, but I agree it is modern cultural problem and a personal responsibility problem.

However, I dont agree with your supposition following from that.

I think that obesity is a symptom of a cultural problem worth solving, not an individual moral failing, and there are better ways to learn than death.

There are lots of things in our culture that result in physical and mental sickness. It is good to treat the symptoms, but we should also pay attention to the cause.

Culture operates both at the individual and collective level. One can not exist without the other. One can not change without changing the other. Personal beliefs and actions shape collective culture, and culture shapes personal beliefs.

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mapt ◴[] No.41878485[source]
Responding to efforts to cure a social ill by calling it a personal responsibility problem is, in context, implying that we should not be exerting those efforts, that this is not our problem, this is their problem, that humans should just be better, why can't you just be better you piece of shit?

It is a disinvitation to solutions, and the rest follows naturally from that. I think a lot of people are using this as a thought-terminating cliche without actually considering how hostile the stance is.

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1. s1artibartfast ◴[] No.41881278[source]
it seems like a lot of projection and extrapolation.

A widespread lack of individual agency and self-determination is both a cultural problem and should be viewed as a call to action.

The question of why this is the case and what we can do about it is the interesting part.

People do have personal problems. Ignoring that is like blinding one eye before assessing the situation

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2. mapt ◴[] No.41913146[source]
Every problem is personal for the person facing it. When one looks at attempts to cure AIDs, and offers a contextual response of "This is a personal problem" or "This is a matter of personal responsibility", the only meaning of that which is legible is that we shouldn't collectively be trying to cure AIDs, that this isn't our business, and low-key, that sufferers deserve it for their behavior.

That was practically the consensus social position forty years ago.

We didn't have an obesity crisis. Now we have an obesity crisis. Did the human race just become less responsible? Or are they enduring a new, situational, societal-level problem that affects many people collectively based on the socioeconomic & cultural conditions they were born into? Conditions that didn't exist 20,000 or 1,000 or even 60 years ago.

This is a longstanding conservative trope that excuses us from dealing with any and all social problems because we don't owe anything to each other. It is a declaration of social atomization.

See also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp4FGAv2gks