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ajkjk ◴[] No.41859541[source]
There are so many things like this that have needed fixing for such a long time. The fact that something is happening, even slowly, is so heartening.

If your reaction is wondering if this is legal then you should be interested in the passing of new laws that make it unequivocally legal. Society should be able to govern itself.

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thefourthchime ◴[] No.41860390[source]
Now, let's institute an actual price rule. I can't rent an Airbnb or book a plane ticket without being lied to about what the actual prices is.
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1. conradev ◴[] No.41860589[source]
California did this:

> Guests in California will see a fee-inclusive total price—before taxes—on all listings.

https://www.airbnb.com/help/article/3610

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml...

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2. rootusrootus ◴[] No.41860839[source]
> before taxes

Now they just need to fix that part.

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4. darkhelmet ◴[] No.41861746[source]
Right up front: I agree. But, implementing this will be an absolute PITA because so many other things are systemically broken.

Case in point: cost breakdown from the invoice of an online order a few months ago (with the dollar amounts removed):

> Subtotal

> Shipping (Economy)

> Tax (Solano County Tax 0.25%)

> Tax (Vacaville City Tax 0.75%)

> Tax (Solano County District Tax Sp 0.125%)

> Tax (Solano Co Local Tax Sl 1.0%)

> Tax (California State Tax 6.0%)

Once your address is known taxes can be calculated. At what point is an after-tax final price to be shown? On an ad? On a targeted Ad? Once you reach the storefront based on unreliable geolocation? (which would be wrong for me, because geolocation bundles two cities here together as one) Once you create an account? At the checkout when you've specified the shipping address? As things tend to happen today, its usually only at the last step.

As much as I'd like to see it, I don't see much chance of improving the visibility of final prices without comprehensive systemic tax reform first.

The obvious quick solutions aren't exactly fair in the current US system. Imagine a "quick fix" of requiring the vendors to price in-a generic taxes for everyone. Just like with credit card system fees, "simple" fixes like that that benefit the residents of high-sales-tax states to the detriment of no-sales-tax state residents. While such a system would work for physical stores, they would get hammered if they had to prices on the shelves or signs that were higher than online prices.

As much as we all want a fair straight-forward system, I don't imagine it happening any time soon in the US. There are way too many unresolved zero-sum political fights and ideological differences standing in the way.

It certainly can be done (eg: Australia) but the circumstances there were very different.

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5. rootusrootus ◴[] No.41862246{3}[source]
I agree, it is not currently feasible in all cases. But something like AirBNB should be straightforward. Price tags on store shelves also straightforward. As you point out, it's tough for online shopping, at least until you have an established account. For advertising purposes it would be tough.

My guess is the only solution (and it would suck and be met with much resistance) would be to make all the taxes based strictly on where the seller is, not where the buyer is. Then the buyer would have to be on hook for use tax instead of sales tax. States would not like this because most people skip paying use tax altogether.

Or just get rid of sales tax as a thing, and if you want localized taxes put them on property. That's what my state does (plus income tax).

I agree that we're unlikely to see any sane solution in the US in our lifetime.

6. shiroiushi ◴[] No.41867444{3}[source]
It's really simple: ban sales taxes levied by anyone except the national government. That's how other countries do it, and it works fine. Then everyone in the whole country pays the same tax rate, no matter where they are.

Short of that, ban sales taxes levied by local governments; only allow states to levy them. It's easy enough to figure out which state someone is in.