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Un Ministral, Des Ministraux

(mistral.ai)
216 points veggieroll | 8 comments | 16 Oct 24 14:31 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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lairv ◴[16 Oct 24 14:57 UTC] No.41859815[source]▶
Hard to see how can Mistral compete with Meta, they have order of magnitude less compute, their models are only slightly better (at least on the benchmarks) with less permissive licenses?
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1. simonw ◴[16 Oct 24 15:34 UTC] No.41860302[source]▶
Yeah, the license thing is definitely a problem. It's hard to get excited about an academic research license for a 3B or 8B model when the Llama 3.1 and 3.2 models are SO good, and are licensed for commercial usage.
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2. harisec ◴[16 Oct 24 15:46 UTC] No.41860447[source]▶
Qwen 2.5 models are better than Llama and Mistral.
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3. speedgoose ◴[16 Oct 24 15:48 UTC] No.41860478[source]▶
I disagree. I tried the small ones but they too frequently output Chinese when the prompt is English.
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4. sigmar ◴[16 Oct 24 15:54 UTC] No.41860586[source]▶
to be clear- these ministal model are also licensed for commercial use, but not freely licensed for commercial use. and meta also has restrictions on commercial use (have to put “Built with Meta Llama 3” and need to pay meta if you exceed 700 million monthly users)
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5. harisec ◴[16 Oct 24 16:16 UTC] No.41860876{3}[source]▶
I never had this problem but i guess it depends on the prompt.
6. sthatipamala ◴[16 Oct 24 16:22 UTC] No.41860944[source]▶
You need to pay meta if you have 700 million users as of the Llama 3 release date. Not at any time going forward.
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7. tarruda ◴[16 Oct 24 18:44 UTC] No.41862359[source]▶
> need to pay meta if you exceed 700 million monthly users

Seems like a good problem to have

8. simonw ◴[16 Oct 24 21:32 UTC] No.41864049{3}[source]▶
... or presumably if you build a successful company and then try to sell that company to Apple, Microsoft, Google or a few other huge companies.