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pt_PT_guy[dead post] ◴[] No.41857348[source]
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bayindirh ◴[] No.41857387[source]
Mhmm... A POSIX compliant OS which is bundled with a calibrated high gamut screen, low latency audio stack, and relatively high speed networking with good thread scheduling, great memory management and tremendous uptime numbers for a personal computer.

...a toy OS which becomes invisible most of the time for serious users indeed.

I prefer Linux over anything else, but let's be real.

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peoplefromibiza ◴[] No.41858467[source]
> Mhmm... A POSIX compliant OS which is bundled with a calibrated high gamut screen, low latency audio stack, and relatively high speed networking with good thread scheduling, great memory management and tremendous uptime numbers for a personal computer.

so basically a Linux less free and less customizable that only runs on a single platform and architecture (ok, let's make it 2!) and still as it seems has some serious bad security bug that no other OS has

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1. bayindirh ◴[] No.41858507[source]
> so basically a Linux less free and less customizable...

Yes, fine as a secondary OS (to Linux, for me) though.

> serious bad security bug that no other OS has

Can I have the CVEs, since citation needed. If we're talking about Mullvad's findings, it's a race condition, which can happen anywhere since VPN is always a secondary process which needs to run and login after network wakes up, and use the existing network connections to route the traffic.

You need to enable VPNs to stop all outbound traffic until they make their connections, which needs new and interesting plumbing.

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2. peoplefromibiza ◴[] No.41858653[source]
> Can I have the CVEs, since citation needed.

the burden of proof works in the opposite way

> which can happen anywhere

and yet it's still a bad security bug that does not happen anywhere else (AFAWK)

if your target is people who can be tricked into thinking that your OS is faster because it's artificially snappier, maybe your priorities are misplaced IMO

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3. bayindirh ◴[] No.41858799[source]
> the burden of proof works in the opposite way

How can I prove or disprove something if you don't give me a starting point? An interesting perspective.

> if your target is people who can be tricked into thinking that your OS is faster because it's artificially snappier, maybe your priorities are misplaced IMO

I mean, if an OS can wake faster than the competition because it uses high-end semi independent radios, a custom processor and power manager, and can run their own custom firmware on these devices just because they can, that OS is actually snappier when it comes to that feature, innit?

Again, to reiterate, macOS my secondary OS of choice, but we should be fair when discussing things and our judgements shouldn't be colored by our emotions towards anything.

If a Linux + ThinkPad would have provided the same experience as a MacBook pro, I'd be running a top end ThinkPad instead of MacBooks for my portable computer needs, but alas, for me the best choice is Linux Desktops and macOS laptops.

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4. peoplefromibiza ◴[] No.41859713{3}[source]
> How can I prove or disprove something if you don't give me a starting point? An interesting perspective.

Exactly.

If the bug shows up on MacOS it's a MacOS bug and not a bug "that could potentially happen anywhere"

> but we should be fair when discussing things and our judgements

The fair discussion here is that it seems (it's not a certainty) that trying to restart apps as soon as possible to make the OS appear snappier is causing the aforementioned race condition for mullvad VPN and apparently other data leaks (someone mentions audio being played from previous browsing sessions)

I am on the side of the fence that prioritizes correctness over perceived but faulty snappiness