MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

Mhmm... A POSIX compliant OS which is bundled with a calibrated high gamut screen, low latency audio stack, and relatively high speed networking with good thread scheduling, great memory management and tremendous uptime numbers for a personal computer.

...a toy OS which becomes invisible most of the time for serious users indeed.

I prefer Linux over anything else, but let's be real.

Well pack it up boys, Linux on the desktop is finally ready.

Linux on desktop has been ready for years now, it absolutely shreds apple and microsofts offerings, ubuntu desktop is about as schmick as it gets regardless of your views of the parent company.

Mac on the other hand is an absolute nightmare to administer for clients. Same with their phones. Printing from web browser on a Mac? Completely broken. Have to save everything to desktop and open it from there. It's an absolute joke. Wanna use your 7 year old Mac to browse the web? Oh wait you can't because the os blocks it. Legit joke of a product.

It has been for many years. At least for people who are inclined to have technical interest

I have been using Linux Desktop for 2 decades. It has worked by and large fine. The freedom is amazing!

Can I ctrl-paste the contents of my phone's clipboard onto my Linux computer? How many hours would that take to set up? Because that works out of the box with Macs and iPhones. Pretty useful daily.

> Printing from web browser on a Mac? Completely broken.

Doing this more than a decade? Didn't see any brokenness to be honest.

> Wanna use your 7 year old Mac to browse the web? Oh wait you can't because the os blocks it.

Nope. My 2014 MBP is a happy camper and use it daily at home. No blocks whatsoever.

> Linux on desktop has been ready for years now, it absolutely shreds apple and microsofts offerings

That's true though. Laptop power management is not there yet, but I prefer Linux over anything else for the last ~15 years or so. I use Mac laptops because I like the hardware and see where another UNIX based OS is.

> Mac on the other hand is an absolute nightmare to administer for clients. Same with their phones.

I think Apple phones are relatively easy to mass-manage via Apple Configurator, but MDM is a totally different story in macOS. Glad that my machines are not managed.

Kde connect works fine most of the time to share clipboard, send files, etc

It's quite easy with kdeconnect.

Yeah that's been easy for a few years now. Kdeconnect works great/it's been available on Linux since well before windows got it.

I had a look into KDE connect out of interest, but found it to be quite lacking in functionality for iOS. The limitations likely stem from Apple's locked down approach to their OS and security, but the limitations remain.

https://userbase.kde.org/KDEConnect#Missing_or_limited_featu...

Excellent reply. I hate windows viscerally, but I would also not call it toy. Neither Linux, FreeBSD, Windows (and many others) are toys. Linux, BTW, started as a toy, but is far from it now.

Man printing is broken on macs I've had a handful of callouts for exactly that lately on a ramge of different macs.

Same with print from iphones. Broken, and when it breaks you get zero ways to chase whats going wrong. Meanwhile every other device on site have zero problems.

I literally spend a large portion of my days dealing with these problems for a variety of clients on a variety of sites. It's at a point with Apple where I just flat out refuse the work unless their a really special client. Atleast if I have a problem on a Microsoft device for business I can call support and get a phone back from a tech usually within 24 hours. Can't get that from apple.

Last absolute head scratcher was syncing multiple Gmail accounts with a variety of passwords and passkeys to a single iCalendar. Turns out passkeys overwrite more than one Gmails settings in ios back to just its email and nerf all the others. Hot tip for anyone doing this don't ever use passkeys for that setup if doing multiple accounts. Not sure if it was Googles end on how their passkey is set out or apples end on how it interprets it but it was a 2.5 hour nightmare.

is POSIX complicance relevant anymore?

I write everything to run on macOS and Linux, so yes. At least for me.

Except it requires VPN when not on the same LAN for some reason...

I usually use my Macs with a fleet of printers from Xerox, Samsung and HP. Only the (archaic) Xerox needed a .ppd file from Xerox. The others are running with default drivers supplied with the system, and all work as first-class citizens, with all their features enabled (incl. the Xerox).

Same is true for iPhone/AirPrint. As long as the mDNS packets are unhindered in the network, and the printer has semi-decent AirPrint support, they work automagically. Again, Samsung and HP printers are networked and AirPrint enabled.

All any any devices (Linux / Windows / macOS / iOS / Android) on their respective networks can and do print without any drivers to these printers. They start printing instantly, with all features enabled, and honoring all options selected in the print dialog.

I have two Google accounts on my iPhone and Mac, but only one of them uses passkeys IIRC, and absolutely have no problems for now. Will look out for the scenario though, thanks.

I don't trust the definition of "easy" from a Linux man. For me easy means logging into my iCloud account and having it work by default.

> Mhmm... A POSIX compliant OS which is bundled with a calibrated high gamut screen, low latency audio stack, and relatively high speed networking with good thread scheduling, great memory management and tremendous uptime numbers for a personal computer.

so basically a Linux less free and less customizable that only runs on a single platform and architecture (ok, let's make it 2!) and still as it seems has some serious bad security bug that no other OS has

> so basically a Linux less free and less customizable...

Yes, fine as a secondary OS (to Linux, for me) though.

> serious bad security bug that no other OS has

Can I have the CVEs, since citation needed. If we're talking about Mullvad's findings, it's a race condition, which can happen anywhere since VPN is always a secondary process which needs to run and login after network wakes up, and use the existing network connections to route the traffic.

You need to enable VPNs to stop all outbound traffic until they make their connections, which needs new and interesting plumbing.

It's even easier than that; you don't even have to setup an account.

When your devices are on the same network, you can just request pairing on one device and accept pairing on the other. Done.

> Can I have the CVEs, since citation needed.

the burden of proof works in the opposite way

> which can happen anywhere

and yet it's still a bad security bug that does not happen anywhere else (AFAWK)

if your target is people who can be tricked into thinking that your OS is faster because it's artificially snappier, maybe your priorities are misplaced IMO

> the burden of proof works in the opposite way

How can I prove or disprove something if you don't give me a starting point? An interesting perspective.

> if your target is people who can be tricked into thinking that your OS is faster because it's artificially snappier, maybe your priorities are misplaced IMO

I mean, if an OS can wake faster than the competition because it uses high-end semi independent radios, a custom processor and power manager, and can run their own custom firmware on these devices just because they can, that OS is actually snappier when it comes to that feature, innit?

Again, to reiterate, macOS my secondary OS of choice, but we should be fair when discussing things and our judgements shouldn't be colored by our emotions towards anything.

If a Linux + ThinkPad would have provided the same experience as a MacBook pro, I'd be running a top end ThinkPad instead of MacBooks for my portable computer needs, but alas, for me the best choice is Linux Desktops and macOS laptops.

> How can I prove or disprove something if you don't give me a starting point? An interesting perspective.

Exactly.

If the bug shows up on MacOS it's a MacOS bug and not a bug "that could potentially happen anywhere"

> but we should be fair when discussing things and our judgements

The fair discussion here is that it seems (it's not a certainty) that trying to restart apps as soon as possible to make the OS appear snappier is causing the aforementioned race condition for mullvad VPN and apparently other data leaks (someone mentions audio being played from previous browsing sessions)

I am on the side of the fence that prioritizes correctness over perceived but faulty snappiness

It’s an extraordinary claim that Mac printing is broken. It’s one area where it’s vastly superior to any other OS I’ve frequently used (including Windows, all of the common BSDs, and more Linux distros than you’ve heard of).

With pretty much any printer brand sold at Office Max, Mac printing looks like:

1. Hit cmd-P.

2. Find the printer in the pop up window and click the Print button.

3. Walk over and get the paper.

The same’s true for AirPrint from iPhones and iPads. I don’t remember the last time I had trouble printing from any of those to any Brother or Canon or HP around any of the offices I’ve helped. That doesn’t count the time the previous admin had blocked mDNS on the router because he had a cargo cult theory of network security.

How should it work? Send everything through a central server? Try to hole-punch through NAT? Ubiquitous IPv6 might help, but we're not there yet.