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The C23 edition of Modern C

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belter ◴[] No.41850897[source]
Important reminder just in the Preface :-)

Takeaway #1: "C and C++ are different: don’t mix them, and don’t mix them up"

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pjmlp ◴[] No.41850960[source]
Specially relevant to all those folks that insist on "Coding C with a C++ compiler", instead of safer language constructs, and standard library alternatives provided by C++ during the last decades.
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flohofwoe ◴[] No.41851268[source]
Funny because for a long time the Microsoft MSVC team explicitly recommended compiling C code with a C++ compiler because they couldn't be arsed to update their C frontend for over two decades (which thankfully has changed now) ;)

https://herbsutter.com/2012/05/03/reader-qa-what-about-vc-an...

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rdtsc ◴[] No.41851659[source]
That thing always baffled me, this huge company building a professional IDE couldn't figure out how to ship updates to the C compiler.

> it is hard to say no to you, and I’m sorry to say it. But we have to choose a focus, and our focus is to implement (the standard) and innovate (with extensions like everyone but which we also contribute for potential standardization) in C++.

I mean, yeah if it came from a two member team at a startup, sure focus on C++, understandably. But Microsoft, what happened to "Developers! Developers! Developers!"?

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pjmlp ◴[] No.41852459[source]
It was on purpose, Microsoft was done with C, the official message was to move on to C++.

The change of heart was the new management, and the whole Microsoft <3 FOSS.

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rdtsc ◴[] No.41852886[source]
> It was on purpose, Microsoft was done with C

Indeed, and yet here we are with C23

> The change of heart was the new management, and the whole Microsoft <3 FOSS.

Yeah, agree. To me the turning point was when they created WSL.

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kragen ◴[] No.41855699[source]
Microsoft didn't create C23 and they don't <3 FOSS. They're accepting that they have to deal with FOSS, but installing Windows will still make your Linux system unbootable until you fix it with a rescue disk, among numerous other unfriendly things they do.
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1. alexvitkov ◴[] No.41855935[source]
I haven't seen Windows fuck up the EFI partition or delete the other entries in a while now. After installing it the machine will usually boot directly into it, but it should be just a toggle in the firmware to switch back to GRUB.
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2. kragen ◴[] No.41856064[source]
That's an improvement! When did they fix that?