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umanwizard ◴[] No.41844648[source]
Is this game well-known enough in Britain and Ireland that readers will know what on earth is being alleged just from reading this article? Or are you expected to have to google it?

Apparently it’s a game where you take turns swinging a chestnut on a string and trying to hit the opponent’s chestnut and break it. Yes, I can see how a steel fake chestnut would be an advantage here, though I’m amazed it wouldn’t be instantly obvious to even a casual observer that the look and sound were wrong. So maybe I’m still missing something.

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1. lock_enthusiast ◴[] No.41844679[source]
I feel there is enough in the article to build an image of the game in your head: I'm imagining a game game where two people trying to destroy the other person's chestnut by whirring and hitting the chestnuts on the end of strings. Now I'm going to go check my mental image against wikipedia.
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2. Nursie ◴[] No.41844989[source]
That's more or less it.

You make a hole through your 'conker' (horse chestnut, not the edible type) and thread a string or a bootlace through it.

Then you take turns.

One holds their string still and lets the conker hang down, the other gets a swing at it with their conker. Whoever's conker lasts the longest is the winner.

There were all sorts of rumours about baking them, or soaking in vinegar or what have you to harden them up, but effectively it's the sort of game that a bunch of kids can play under a horse chestnut tree with relatively few props.

Using a steel 'ringer' in that circumstance would be the worst sort of unsportsmanlike behaviour.

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3. conductr ◴[] No.41845134[source]
I’m American and never heard of this sport in my life yet article painted a similar picture in my mind.
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4. riffraff ◴[] No.41845293[source]
Ho do you drill the hole? I'm having trouble imagining kids with needles in their pockets, do you do it with a pencil or toothpick?

We've got a ton of horse chestnuts in my neighborhood but I've never heard of this game and I'm eager to introduce it to my kids.

Also, doesn't the conker spiral around your hand hitting it and hurting you?

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5. LandR ◴[] No.41845430{3}[source]
> your hand hitting it and hurting you?

WHen you were a kid, accidentally hitting yourself or the other person was just part of it!

6. hackernewds ◴[] No.41845536[source]
I'm having the utter best time as a 12 year old replacing conker with something less wholesome
7. looperhacks ◴[] No.41845539{3}[source]
I'm not from Britain, but we used to craft with chestnuts. We always used a small hand drill (Wikipedia tells me it's called a gimlet). I assume it's the same in Britain
8. pixxel ◴[] No.41845572[source]
If my memory serves me: you used to announce your conker as a “two-er”, or “three-er”, for example, to inform your opponent how many conkers your particular conker had previously claimed. If your opponent decided to challenge you and won then they would claim your “three-er” and add its win total to their own. So a “two-er” would become a “five-er”.
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9. lisper ◴[] No.41845589[source]
Here's a video that explains it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLGuZZraIqg

And one from the championship:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5t6ej8Jzew

And here I was thinking that curling was the most ridiculous-looking sport in the world. I stand corrected.

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10. Nursie ◴[] No.41845592{3}[source]
This is really probing the dusty, cobwebbed corners of my memory but yes, I have a very vague recollection of a 'six-er' being somewhat special...
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11. tankenmate ◴[] No.41845594{3}[source]
Horse chestnut shells are very hard, normally you would drill the hole.
12. raffraffraff ◴[] No.41845626[source]
It's not a sport, it's something that kids used to do pre 1950s. People were poor, didn't have manufactured "stuff", so they made their own toys out of simple things like stones, sticks, old wheels etc Football was likely popular because a single ball could keep a while bunch of kids happy for an afternoon (if someone could actually afford a ball).

I'm almost 50, and to me the image of boys playing conkers only comes from books or TV based in early 1900s UK. I've never actually seen anyone play it.

And nowadays people don't really grow up at all. They continue playing right into adulthood and old age, with luxury toys.

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13. Ntrails ◴[] No.41845633{3}[source]
I also recall this, but suspect sometimes numbers may have been inflated...
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14. Nursie ◴[] No.41845654{3}[source]
A gimlet? Hammer and a thick-ish nail? Honestly I can't remember how we used to do it. Might even have used a hand drill at some point. They're fairly soft when you've made a hole in the shell, so you might get away with a screwdriver?

When at school we probably made do with a compass (the drawing kind), as we all had them. I'm sure that resulted in a pretty high rate of conkers being destroyed before they could be strung, and a lot of ruined compasses.

> Also, doesn't the conker spiral around your hand hitting it and hurting you?

Generally not, though the game isn't without its minor hazards :)

There's a (very sweet) video here that seems to do a good job of showing the process and the game - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLGuZZraIqg

Through the exact rules are up to the players and I personally consider the "stamps" rule they mention to be foul play :)

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15. hnlmorg ◴[] No.41845661{3}[source]
My kids play conkers. They also have games consoles and other luxury toys.

Kids just love to play.

16. jamiek88 ◴[] No.41845680{3}[source]
I’m 47 and played conkers in school on merseyside.

The local ‘conker trees’ were famous!

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17. jamiek88 ◴[] No.41845690{4}[source]
I at nearly 50 years old still own my undefeated 48’er. It’s on a yellow bootlace in a box in the loft at my dad’s house.
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18. komadori ◴[] No.41845697{3}[source]
I grew up in the 90s and we played conkers.

The main detail I remember was that soaking them in vinegar was supposed to make them stronger!

19. Symbiote ◴[] No.41845727{3}[source]
I played conkers in the 1990s. Everyone did.

Money has nothing to do with it, most of my friends had computers, some had those mini cars to drive — it was a wealthy area.

20. semi-extrinsic ◴[] No.41845798{3}[source]
> if someone could actually afford a ball

Round here, in the olden days the kids would fashion a crude type of ball called "basse" by cutting up a broken bicycle inner tube into a bunch of small rings, threading all the rings on a piece of string and tying this mess up in a particular way to form a roughly spherical object.

It does not roll well at all, but the kids stand around in a circle and kick the basse around to each other, trying to keep it in the air. If you cause it to fall to the ground, you lose.

21. dageshi ◴[] No.41845809{3}[source]
We randomly had something like this in our kitchen draw...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SpitJack-Trussing-Butchers-Roasting...

Attach string, push through, detach string and remove.

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22. riffraff ◴[] No.41845855{4}[source]
sweet!
23. easytiger ◴[] No.41845861{3}[source]
> I'm almost 50, and to me the image of boys playing conkers only comes from books or TV based in early 1900s UK. I've never actually seen anyone play it.

Extremely common for kids to play this at least into the mid 2000s where i'm from, i moved away so i don't know if they still do

24. scalesolved ◴[] No.41845867{3}[source]
> I'm almost 50, and to me the image of boys playing conkers only comes from books or TV based in early 1900s UK. I've never actually seen anyone play it.

Did you grow up in a city? I'm mid 30s and we used to regularly play conkers in the village where I grew up.

25. riffraff ◴[] No.41845874{4}[source]
compass makes a ton of sense, and that is indeed a sweet video, thanks for sharing!
26. Rattay ◴[] No.41845878{3}[source]
Yeah, very much fron the 1950's 'Beano' era, but it did still go on in the mid 90s, at least in a wild throwing them about the place as entertainment. It was indeed a simpler time.

A lot more kids in the background smoking cigarettes around the bike sheds as well, but that's another story :)

27. bluehatbrit ◴[] No.41845920{3}[source]
> Also, doesn't the conker spiral around your hand hitting it and hurting you?

Not usually in my experience, the string isn't that short and you're holding it at one end. Injury is still possible though, but that's part of the fun!

28. oniony ◴[] No.41845997{3}[source]
I'm an 80s kid and we passionately played conkers at my primary school. We used to hang them on shoe laces or string, by burning a hole through the middle with a heated awl or kebab rod.

Cheating was always rife with people using all manner of techniques to try to preserve and strengthen their conkers: soaking in vinegar, baking them, coating in nail varnish, &c.

Pretty sad to hear it's fallen out of fashion, as it was good, cheap fun and, with long enough string, not very dangerous.

29. room271 ◴[] No.41846013{3}[source]
Another voice here of someone (in my 30s) who played conkers growing up. Was great fun!
30. oniony ◴[] No.41846057{3}[source]
We used to have a BBQ skewer that we used for various purposes, including adding holes to belts. We'd heat it up on the gas hob and then burn a hole through the conker. I actually still have the same one I've inherited in my kitchen drawer. If you have an awl, you could use that instead, but I'd recommend heating it to get a cleaner hole.

You need to use a long enough string. Old cotton shoe laces are actually perfect as the aglets make threading that much easier.

The force of one conker against another is enough to sometimes make it spin round, but not enough to do any real damage. You just need a long enough string that your fingers are not in the firing range. Obviously there is a vanishingly small risk of a piece of conker ending up in the eye but I never witnessed that or any other injury happening. The biggest problem was usually upset kids when their prized conker got destroyed.

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31. OJFord ◴[] No.41846468{4}[source]
I think whether or not you grew up with a significant local population of 'conker trees' probably had a lot more to do with it than age. I'm younger than you (and didn't grow up 'poor') and we played too, 'pre-50s' is ridiculous.
32. loup-vaillant ◴[] No.41846481{3}[source]
> And nowadays people don't really grow up at all. They continue playing right into adulthood and old age, with luxury toys.

It would be nice if we stopped stigmatising play. Growing up doesn't mean we stop playing. Acting grown-up might mean stop playing, but it's just that — an act, and a likely childish one. Real adults don't give up on what brings them joy.

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33. red_admiral ◴[] No.41846482{3}[source]
> Also, doesn't the conker spiral around your hand hitting it and hurting you?

It does until you learn, usually quite quickly, to do it properly.

Hurting your opponent's hand is a different matter :)

34. zelos ◴[] No.41846661{4}[source]
We'd heat it up on the gas hob and then burn a hole through the conker.

That's brilliant. Why did this never occur to me? That's going on the list of things to tell my younger self when time travel becomes possible.

35. royletron ◴[] No.41846710{3}[source]
I played conkers in the 90's, my kids (7 and 10) play conkers now. We even have debates on whether applying nail polish is considered cheating - it is, it totally is! What's more, I was brought up in a poor area of Manchester, they've been brought up in quite an affluent area of Oxfordshire - so couldn't be any different!
36. conkers ◴[] No.41846757{3}[source]
I played conkers in the 80s, everybody in the school did. People had tricks like coating their conkers in gloss etc. but it was still a widespread game. Played football and British bulldog type stuff too but conkers came in season for a bit every year.
37. conkers ◴[] No.41846792{3}[source]
We used a corkscrew then threaded a shoelace through it.
38. sersi ◴[] No.41846821{4}[source]
Back when I was a teenager, I used to also have similar thoughts as the person you replied to about not playing with toys because it was childish behavior.

Luckily, I grew out of that and I do not feel self conscious when playing as an adult or being goofy.

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39. cultofmetatron ◴[] No.41846825[source]
soo.. bayblade with nuts?
40. flir ◴[] No.41846867{3}[source]
> I've never actually seen anyone play it.

Inner-city kid, same age as you, and it was everywhere. Not universal, I guess.

41. flir ◴[] No.41846894{4}[source]
The phrase "a sixer at conkers" is floating to the surface.

Was it that once you reached six, you stopped counting? Or do you retire it, undefeated?

42. calamity_elf ◴[] No.41847060{3}[source]
I went to first school (3 tier system, first, middle, high) in the 1970s and we played conkers in the school yard in the 1970s, and into the mid 80s in middle school too. By the time I reached high school they'd been banned.

I see parents and children collecting horse chestnuts in the local market square and arboretum still today though, and it brings back fond memories of rapped knuckles and entanglement "clingy-niner's" or "clinchies" in some games, depending who you were playing with.

43. RandomThoughts3 ◴[] No.41847143{3}[source]
I don’t think conker players pretend it’s a sport. It would ihmo be more accurate to call it a game.
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44. razakel ◴[] No.41847302{5}[source]
>To carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.

- C. S. Lewis

45. tjalfi ◴[] No.41847766{3}[source]
The memoir Where Did You Go? Out. What Did You Do? Nothing describes using a heated icepick.

You take a chestnut, and you hook the ice pick. You wait until nobody is in the kitchen, and then one kid presses down on the pilot-light button so that a long delicate blue finger of flame comes out, and the other kid puts the ice pick in the flame until it is red-hot. When it is, he bores a hole in the chestnut. You do as many as you can until somebody comes and asks you what you are doing, and then, according to your standing in the family, that day, you either plead, argue, or say, “Oh, jeez,” and slink away.

46. conductr ◴[] No.41847961{3}[source]
I don’t mind the nit on word choice but in my mind a game becomes a sport by the existence of a Championship match and title.

Also, I think this follows how most sports come to be. They are started as child play, when we have the time/leisure/energy, then they eventually become something some of us want to continue with as adults and the rest of us will pay to watch because we enjoy the sport so much (often fostered during youth play).

There are dozens of sports that I have no interest in simply because I wasn’t exposed to them as a kid. As an older American, we did not play Soccer(football) when I was a kid. It’s pretty popular now and my kid has had me go to professional games and such but I still just don’t really understand the game/rules/strategy or fully appreciate the difficulty of things that occur. I could learn I suppose but I still just have little effort in doing so as a middle aged person. I could say the same about Cricket and a handful of other sports that I never played as a kid but know are popular elsewhere. Likewise, when people move to the US, it usually takes them a while and likely never fully get into American Football and Baseball. Basketball has become more global and so I do expats that follow that sport. More likely than not, they follow the sports that interested them as a kid and just live with the time zone issue.

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47. lisper ◴[] No.41849815{4}[source]
s/sport/organized competitive activity/
48. umanwizard ◴[] No.41852950{4}[source]
A minor correction (though I agree with all the rest of your comment): baseball is also popular in several countries, just a different set of countries than basketball (most of them are in Latin America or East Asia).
49. Nursie ◴[] No.41854927{5}[source]
I bet that thing’s hard as concrete now :)