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Hi, Pavel Zhovner here, Flipper Devices CEO. Yes it's our product, but it's not ready for announcement yet, so we keep it secret.

Right now, we are working on implementing Matter smart home protocol and will slightly change the product concept.

Hi Pavel Zhovner. I'm afraid you're not doing a very good job of keeping it secret.

What are the odds of a kit version woth a lower pricetag and some assembly required?

It looks gorgeous, especially the hardware. I think the typeface on the hardware and the retro busy text could be further refined, but it is very very cool overall.

> What are the odds of a kit version woth a lower pricetag and some assembly required?

Or even better, a version that ships with everything besides "the brain" and allows us to use our Flipper Zero as the brain :) Looking at the old blog articles about the project, it seems it got started with using Flipper Zero as the brain, so maybe it's not that far-fetched.

Side note to people reading this: in general, when suspecting a scam, don't blindly trust anyone who says "I'm ... and I confirm this is OK". This may be the same very person who you're suspecting of original scam ;). Not a theory, I have cases looks this every other week in my dayjob.

In this case I believe the post is legit.

Put a CO2 + temp/humidity sensor in there and it's a no-brainer. The sensors could be nice to hack on too.

It might ring better for the cypherpunks here that zhovner has verified their HN account ownership with their keybase GPG key, which can only be done by editing an account's profile description to include a specific signature (or by defacing HN / breaching the account). And the same key is also used to prove ownership of their Github account and website.

Also add PM (Particulate Matter) and VOC.

Is there any message from the Flipper Zero people that this is actually their CEO? :)

No need, the user profile (cryptographically) links to their keybase profiles which corroborates the identity. The future is here! :)

(Looking at the renders, there are at least four different fonts on the device. It would probably look better if you used fewer.)

unrelated: how come you can't buy your device on amazon?

More important note to people reading this: use your brain. Is it likely that a scammer will create an extremely professional website and product, and then their scam is that ride the coat tails of another brand and try to keep that scam up with Hacker News comments?

(I think lots of HN people have issues with reality so just in case the answer is: absolutely not.)

hell yes!

with matter support that could just well integrate with the rest of home automation. There is a lack of devices with big nice dials for that.

+1 CO2/PM2.5

And... How do we know the key base profile is correct?

Here is how Keybase works: https://book.keybase.io/docs/server

Then take a look at the HN profile, which leads you to the Keybase profile.

Looks nice. We should have known from the way it looks that it is either you guys or Teenage Engineering.

so now we're talking a $500 device? they're already asking ~$200 for a feature stop watch

Or he's been playing the long game and fake-submitted the Show HN post for flipper zero four years ago just to be ready for this day. ;-)

(or the account was compromised, of course)

It's a beautiful site and product.

However, the original inventor of the Pomodoro technique explicitly advocates a "low tech" approach - a mechanical kitchen timer, because he argued that the tactile and auditory elements (i.e., the turning moves and ticking sounds) get associated with the elements of the techniques in the human brain.

It would be interesting to evaluate both variants of the approach in a scientific experiment.

https://www.amazon.com/-/en/38-1005/dp/B00335P518 - about €7 or $13, depending on your geography

I really wish keybase had taken off. I should have realized it was going to fail once they started adding the cryptocurrency wallet.

Yes, actually. Well, everything except the last point. If you're unfamiliar with UFO 50, it's a recent collection of games inspired by 80s-esque computer game design. The reason why I bring this up is because there's a website (ufo50.net) which is actually fake and completely unrelated to the actual ufo50 site (50games.fun) which is designed to be SEO-bait so that it can absorb traffic from search engines.

This product (1) is not just for Pomodoro and (2) has nice tactile hardware.

I think hardware that can "passively" be more useful with sensors and similar are easy wins. No reason it has to disrupt a timer, it just hides sensors you'd want within a device that would already be sitting out in your home/office.

Keyoxide seems OK as an alternative: https://keyoxide.org/aspe:keyoxide.org:Q6B7ZBQITV7IE2RG4EMVK...

Doesn't have any of the social "features".

And double the price?

Temp/humidity is simple enough, but reasonably priced CO2 sensors with any accuracy are an issue

I'd love for this thing to be feature-flexible enough to use it for the exact opposite: running TV/screen/videogame timer for the kids!

Looks great, love the dial/switch big button combo, and the opportunity to buy something attractive that's a "hackable screen with buttons" is very high for me.

Another likely use is to be a controller for audiobooks or music in our rumpus if I ever get a hold of one. Again, drivable by kids and oldies who visit is a huge plus.

Ahh, the inevitable slippery slope of feature requests. Making hardware for geeks is a tough business because they’ll always say they’d buy it if it had just one or two more features, but by the time you add all of the feature requests they complain that it’s too expensive.

Funnily, the way I used to check Keybase profiles is to check Twitter because a blue checkmark there was usually a good indication of them being "the famous person" but thanks to Twitter Blue that feature is no longer usable.

I understand Keybase allows you to link up a bunch of accounts, but it doesn't prevent you from making all of those accounts say you are the CEO/CTO of some company unfortunately.

> but by the time you add all of the feature requests they complain that it’s too expensive.

Or that it’s too complicated. Then another startup comes along to “simplify” the product and the cycle begins anew.

> but it doesn't prevent you from making all of those accounts say you are the CEO/CTO of some company unfortunately

At least a GitHub profile link can usually be used to validate that this account actually has write access to a GitHub organization, so you can somewhat see it's the right person. Requires them to have pushed any public commits to within that organization though.

Fair point, yeah.

Even sneakier - he designed and built an entire company around the Flipper Zero just to be able to fake this. For real.

Why stop at a $500 device?

I think it should also have NVMe and SFF-8644 for external disk shelves. At least 6x 10GbE, with 4 on SFPs and 2 on copper. A GPU with excellent hardware transcoding, and slotted VRAM for that local LLM fun. Plus an 8k projector for movie nights at the office.

And a pony; every single one of these fucking kitchen timers must also come with a pony.

I think you're missing the obvious play to subsidize the price by making that LLM enabled with a mic and then selling all of that training data. The price could then come down to $19.99.

I forgot the phased 32-element microphone array! How silly of me.

It will listen in all directions at once, 24/7/365, and send the recordings home to mother.

If done right, that should keep the end-user price below $10.

Maybe aranet4 device as add-on? It does BTLE.

The sub $10 unit will also include cameras for the additional training data

At some point, it starts to make sense to pay people to take these things.

Idea of Flipper Zero was to lower our guard and trust their company with security, while actually shipping hardware with backdoors -- which the Flipper Zero will, for some reason, not be able to detect.

Same, except the last point, I feel like I've seen that pattern multiple times. And it's not like it's expensive to do (presumably unless you get sued or something).

Well that's not the same is it? They aren't creating a whole new extremely professional product and just saying "made by OtherBrand"; they just cloned a website (probably using an LLM).

So yes except for the last point, and also the other points...

Ahh... I wish Keybase had taken off and not been gobbled up by Zoom. It had so much promise with things like this.

A version of this that would be useful for WFH or private offices is an 'on air' device that you could mount outside your office door, which means it's not connected to your computer and could potentially run on a battery for a week+ or run on usb power directly.

People want to come in sometimes to access a closet, but they don't know if your in a meeting, so it would also need to detect if your in a meeting, and the microphone being on or off is not enough because people often mute themselves. Calendar access is also not enough because sometimes you start a meeting without a calendar thingy, and also knowing if your 'on air' with an open door can tell them if they have to be worried if they could be on camera if they walk by the door.

It could be a very simple LED, it just needs a good agent on your desktop. Also a 'yellow light' for an upcoming meeting in a couple minutes (so this is where calendar access is useful) or an orange light for camera & microphone off.

It seems like that's already supported considering there's mobile apps: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.flipperdev...

They're referenced on the second picture on the site, with the backside of the device that shows you how to control it.

The Flipper Zero is the backdoor, on the Day of Reckoning everyone's Flipper will emit a signal that will drive people into a murderous rage and detonate all nukes while "zhovner", if that is his real name, hides in a mountain lair with a selection of hand-picked people that he has Chosen to repopulate the earth with. Once the billions have perished, his buddy Musk will launch his fleet of Starships full of handpicked seed ships to spread throughout the solar system and galaxy to spread humanity across the universe like a disease.

or something.

Yes. Someone had their iphone stolen. They got a text message on their partner's phone from Apple saying that their phone had been located; they followed the link and ended up on a professional, Apple designed website, showing a map pointing to a distant country where the phone was located, and they prompted the user to type in the phone's pin code in order to lock the phone or something like that.

They only caught themselves while halfway filling in the code, and I'm sure that was captured too.

Don't underestimate organized crime.

Hi, I am the CEO of Keybase and i can assure you we are working on features that will make this a reality

CO2 sensor is too expensive. No one will buy this device for $500

This is better and more useful than the FlipperOne, I think.

If there are GPIOs let the market do it.

You can get a good CO2 sensor for less than $50 [1]. For large-batch orders the whole device can be less than $50 [2]. Where are you getting an almost $300 addition to the base price?

[1] https://sensirion.com/products/catalog/SCD30

[2] https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/vindstyrka-air-quality-sensor-s...

I’ve found a CO2 measure for 16€ at my supermarket. Of course I’ll never know whether it’s accurate ;)

LOL

Interesting, but totally unrelated.