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SoftTalker ◴[] No.41829404[source]
There are several tradespeople I know (electricians, plumbers, carpenters) who make more money than I do. But I don't begrudge them that, electricians do work where a mistake can literally kill you, and all of these jobs have high injury rates and will wear your body down much faster than sitting at a keyboard.

Edit: and there are no "open source" tools. You have to buy them, and good ones are not cheap.

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orwin ◴[] No.41829463[source]
Carpenters too? I'm not from the US but this is a crowd I know and talked to quite a bit, at least in western Appalachia. It seemed to me they are shafted quite often, as big companies hire them as subcontractors 90% of the time and underpay them. The last 10% another tradesman/local architect get a contract and hire them directly and they earn almost twice their usual pay but that's a small minority of their contracts.
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SoftTalker ◴[] No.41829549[source]
Rough framers cutting and nailing together dimensional lumber, yes I agree that is entry-level work does not pay very well. Skilled carpenters who can do things like design and build a beautiful deck or flawless ornamental woodwork, built-in cabinets, or custom furniture, or solve a tricky framing issue in an expensive historic renovation earn much more.

I should add that all the people I know who are earning really good money in the trades put in some years, established a solid personal reputation in the area, and then started their own businesses.

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1. from-nibly ◴[] No.41830471[source]
If it was entry level work my house wouldn't have the bends in it that it has.
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2. sokoloff ◴[] No.41831582[source]
I'm not sure I follow. Perhaps your house has bends in it because rough framing is entry-level work.
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3. from-nibly ◴[] No.41833149[source]
Then it isn't entry level work. Entry level work is work you can do without experience and do it "right" in that the job gets done without errors. Shoveling concrete is entry level. Laying a proper concrete foundation is not. Operating a chop saw is entry level. Framing a house is not.
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4. sokoloff ◴[] No.41833440{3}[source]
We might be having a case of is/ought talking past each other.

Many people are hired onto rough framing crews with no experience. That's what defines it as entry-level work, IMO. You're saying that people without experience make errors in rough carpentry, which makes it not entry-level. (I would say that makes it "not unskilled" but still "entry-level" [because you can be hired with no experience].)

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5. from-nibly ◴[] No.41853837{4}[source]
Fair enough