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"Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

(developer.chrome.com)
552 points freedomben | 15 comments | 11 Oct 24 14:20 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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freedomben ◴[11 Oct 24 14:42 UTC] No.41809900[source]▶
Notably, Firefox is not removing v2 support (at least for now as of March 2024)

> Firefox, however, has no plans to deprecate MV2 and will continue to support MV2 extensions for the foreseeable future. And even if we re-evaluate this decision at some point down the road, we anticipate providing a notice of at least 12 months for developers to adjust accordingly and not feel rushed.[1]

[1]: https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2024/03/13/manifest-v3-manif...

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EasyMark ◴[11 Oct 24 15:53 UTC] No.41810602[source]▶
To my knowledge the “big” chrome engine alternatives aren’t either. I know that Vivaldi and Brave plan on keeping around v2 as long as it is economically feasible
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Sophira ◴[11 Oct 24 19:07 UTC] No.41812473[source]▶
Are you certain? The last I heard about it from Vivaldi[0], they were only going to keep the MV2 code around so long as it's in the upstream codebase:

> We will keep Manifest v2 for as long as it’s still available in Chromium. We expect to drop support in June 2025, but we may maintain it longer or be forced to drop support for it sooner, depending on the precise nature of the changes to the code.

Note that June 2025 is the same date Google plans to drop support completely[1].

[0] https://vivaldi.com/blog/manifest-v3-update-vivaldi-is-futur...

[1] https://developer.chrome.com/docs/extensions/develop/migrate...

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bambax ◴[11 Oct 24 19:35 UTC] No.41812787[source]▶
But... what could possibly be the point of using a chromium based browser that is not Chrome, if not for MV2 support?
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andmalc ◴[12 Oct 24 00:50 UTC] No.41815409[source]▶
MS Edge, Arc, and Sidekick have features Chrome doesn't such as split screen, side panels, and vertical tabs. Likewise for Firefox forks such as Zen.
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1. aydyn ◴[12 Oct 24 05:34 UTC] No.41816690{3}[source]▶
None of those things are anything close to killer features much less reasons to switch. Verticle tabs, seriously?
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2. ysabri ◴[12 Oct 24 06:31 UTC] No.41816937[source]▶
It is all a gimmick but as long as people are switching to a chromium based browser and not Firefox I'm happy. With that said, I don't know how anyone would trust a small team to build them a secure and safe browser. Chrome is so battle tested at this point and Google puts a lot of resources in maintaining it, they stand to lose a lot more given their scale.
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3. jocoda ◴[12 Oct 24 06:31 UTC] No.41816938[source]▶
Split screen done well would be a killer feature for me. Last time I looked Edge support was ok, but not great. But what kills Edge for me as a daily driver is the basic usability in managing bookmarks and tabs. It's stop and go for every basic operation like dragging objects while Firefox is simply a continuous flow. Firefox is invisible, Edge just gets in the way all the time.

Otherwise Edge is not bad at all. Chrome without MV2 is dead to me.

4. nehal3m ◴[12 Oct 24 07:52 UTC] No.41817278[source]▶
And so you throw in your lot with the strongest warlord on the block, and then they turn your shelter into a prison.
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5. dikei ◴[12 Oct 24 08:00 UTC] No.41817314[source]▶
> Verticle tabs, seriously

Yes, I use Edge due to its vertical tabs

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6. KetoManx64 ◴[12 Oct 24 14:15 UTC] No.41819225[source]▶
Sorry that your personal use case doesn't match my use case and workflow. You keep using your tools and I'll keep using the ones I like.
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7. skotobaza ◴[12 Oct 24 14:39 UTC] No.41819402[source]▶
People spend a lot of time in the web browser. So yes, they want to have a comfortable experience with it. And those features are deal breakers for a lot of people. So stating that they are not killing features is just unreasonable at best and ignorant at worst.
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8. GreenWatermelon ◴[15 Oct 24 13:20 UTC] No.41848287[source]▶
Same. And I only finally switched away when Zen had Vertical tabs. So I'm now on Zen because it jas vertical tabs.

Zen doesn't have tab groups yet, but vertical tabs are a far more important feature for me.

9. aydyn ◴[16 Oct 24 09:45 UTC] No.41857248[source]▶
Sorry, but I mean objectively it is not. Its a gimmick, not a UI defining feature. You are using the exact same tools I am: chromium.

Chromium but with more invasion of privacy.

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10. aydyn ◴[16 Oct 24 09:49 UTC] No.41857278[source]▶
Okay but counterpoint: it doesnt actually make any difference whatsoever. The fact that you dont make an actual argument proves it.
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11. aydyn ◴[16 Oct 24 09:50 UTC] No.41857282[source]▶
cool I also like to send msft extra telemetry

/s

12. aydyn ◴[16 Oct 24 09:51 UTC] No.41857292{3}[source]▶
sir, its a browser
13. KetoManx64 ◴[16 Oct 24 19:17 UTC] No.41862762{3}[source]▶
What makes you an expert on what makes a feature a gimmick? You have no idea of how other people use and optimize their productivity workflows around the use of this "gimmick". Your opinion is far from "objective" .
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14. aydyn ◴[17 Oct 24 09:22 UTC] No.41867818{4}[source]▶
neither is yours but okay
15. skotobaza ◴[21 Oct 24 19:36 UTC] No.41907653{3}[source]▶
It does makes the difference to people who use browsers for something more than reading HN or Reddit. That's the point. What arguments do you expect? Specific use cases for every feature each browser has? That's a different discussion completely.