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wanderingmind ◴[] No.41234334[source]
Sponsorblock is not as blunt a tool as people make it here. You can only block specific type of ads and you can whitelist whole channels which I do for some niche channels I subscribe to. In Android, I use Tubular [1], the NewPipe fork that integrates Sponsorblock and ReturnYoutube Dislike. My only additional request in this awesome app is if we can download the video after snipping out the sponsor block sections.

[1] https://github.com/polymorphicshade/Tubular

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johnnyanmac ◴[] No.41240820[source]
>and you can whitelist whole channels which I do for some niche channels I subscribe to

Honestly, these are ads that actually support the content I watch. So that's why I keep the adroll by default. AFAIK Google isn't getting any cut of it and that makes me feel good.

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1. ndriscoll ◴[] No.41240935[source]
I don't understand this sentiment. Are you buying a product with a tracking code? If not, it's not supporting anyone, and watching a recording of a sales pitch you're not interested in is just wasting your time.
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2. godelski ◴[] No.41241122[source]

  > Are you buying a product with a tracking code? If not, it's not supporting anyone
Not all ads are equal. Most ad segments are performed with a direct transaction: advertiser hands YouTuber money, YouTuber puts ad in their content. There may be additional parts of the deal such as tracking codes, but that's not how it works.

The YouTuber gets the ad money, even if the video is not watched. Though that does not mean you should skip the ad, because the videos have heatmaps and no one would advertise if the segment was always "cold". Though what the OP is saying is you can send strong signals (to both the advertiser AND the YouTuber) as to what ads you're willing to watch and not. In fact, in this way, it is a great tool for making a more efficient market as it increases information quality. But only under the assumption it is both pervasive and not used bluntly.

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3. ndriscoll ◴[] No.41241448[source]
If you're not interested in the advertisement, then you're creating a less efficient market by signaling that you are. So you ought to skip past it or block it in that case. And if you're not interested in any advertisements, the market is more efficient when you block them all. Or just run adnausium if you're basically just trying to help creators scam advertisers.

Remember in all advertising funded models that you are always the product. The market is for "high quality" (i.e. profitable) viewers, not high quality videos.

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4. paulryanrogers ◴[] No.41241518{3}[source]
Adnausium isn't making the market more efficient. It's wasting everyone's time and bandwidth.
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5. ndriscoll ◴[] No.41241544{4}[source]
Right, I said run it if you want to help creators scam advertisers. That's more or less what you're going for if you're not interested in something, but you believe your "I watched the ad" signal helps the creator negotiate with advertisers.
6. account42 ◴[] No.41243727{4}[source]
> It's wasting everyone's time and bandwidth.

No, that's what ads are doing. And not just your computers bandwidth but also your mental bandwidth. Fuck ads.

7. matheusmoreira ◴[] No.41243789{4}[source]
It's reducing the advertiser's returns on their investments. Reduce it to zero or negatives and they will stop advertising. That's world changing technology.

There's no bigger waste of bandwidth than ads, by the way. Ads are noise that's deliberately added to the signal just because it makes somebody somewhere money. These are actually the most charitable words I can use to describe ads.

8. godelski ◴[] No.41244014{3}[source]
You're missing a critical part: there's additional information we can communicate. And that's what this is all about, what information is being communicated. The inefficiency is lack of perfect information.

If you indiscriminately watch or block that is a signal. Watch communicates potentially more because there's a secondary effect of some of those people buy the product. But by indiscriminately watching or not watching, we provide information about an interpolation along what was binary before. It is more complex to read, but now we can communicate that we don't dislike this add more than our willingness to support the channel. And on top of that, again our conversion rate. In a way, the discriminating information tells us something about the likely conversion rate. This is just more information, though that doesn't mean we are good at measuring it.

  > The market is for "high quality" (i.e. profitable) viewers, not high quality videos.
Yes, but profits aren't the only thing people care about. At least not all people. Money is still a proxy for something more abstract.

To make it clearer, there are in fact ads that I do enjoy. This is true for all of us because an ad is so vaguely defined. During a political campaign I appreciate some ads because I want to know the candidates positions, when they are debating, and so on. Too much of it pisses me off, but that's different.

I also like ads that make me aware of certain things that provide utility to my life, but maybe not yours and this can be based on timing.

So stop rejecting this and recognize that these are all attempts at communicating these other factors. It's another variable in a system of equations.