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661 points anotherhue | 30 comments | | HN request time: 1.807s | source | bottom
1. wanderingmind ◴[] No.41234334[source]
Sponsorblock is not as blunt a tool as people make it here. You can only block specific type of ads and you can whitelist whole channels which I do for some niche channels I subscribe to. In Android, I use Tubular [1], the NewPipe fork that integrates Sponsorblock and ReturnYoutube Dislike. My only additional request in this awesome app is if we can download the video after snipping out the sponsor block sections.

[1] https://github.com/polymorphicshade/Tubular

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2. anotherhue ◴[] No.41235208[source]
yt-dlp has a sponsorblock integration that removes the segments from the downloaded file.
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3. stavros ◴[] No.41237871[source]
That sounds useful, thanks! Odd that it's not on any of the stores (eg F-droid).
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4. seanw444 ◴[] No.41238043[source]
I've been using NewPipe X which is very similar, but now has comment reply viewing, which I really value. Does Tubular have that now?
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5. KetoManx64 ◴[] No.41238545[source]
Check out https://github.com/kieraneglin/pinchflat or https://github.com/meeb/tubesync You have to install them on a server or desktop, but they can both snip out sponsored sections from videos.
6. Joe_Cool ◴[] No.41238864[source]
It is in the Izzyondroid repo: https://apt.izzysoft.de/fdroid/index/apk/org.polymorphicshad...

I can also highly recommend the app sponsored by Louis Rossmann: Grayjay. It can do everything that Tubular does and much, much more. It also uses a plugin architecture so you don't have to wait for an update of the app when Youtube blocks it again. https://grayjay.app/

It's also on the Play Store but without any plugins due to Google policy.

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7. aembleton ◴[] No.41239975[source]
What's comment reply viewing? Do you mean viewing the replies to a comment because Tubular can do that.
8. aqfamnzc ◴[] No.41240550[source]
Yes, they added comment replies functionality a little while ago.
9. johnnyanmac ◴[] No.41240820[source]
>and you can whitelist whole channels which I do for some niche channels I subscribe to

Honestly, these are ads that actually support the content I watch. So that's why I keep the adroll by default. AFAIK Google isn't getting any cut of it and that makes me feel good.

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10. torlok ◴[] No.41240918[source]
What's the point of this? Nobody's getting a cut unless you use the affiliate link, and it's in the description anyway. You're just watching your favourite creator say how much they love ExpressVPN through gritted teeth.
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11. ndriscoll ◴[] No.41240935[source]
I don't understand this sentiment. Are you buying a product with a tracking code? If not, it's not supporting anyone, and watching a recording of a sales pitch you're not interested in is just wasting your time.
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12. godelski ◴[] No.41241122{3}[source]

  > Are you buying a product with a tracking code? If not, it's not supporting anyone
Not all ads are equal. Most ad segments are performed with a direct transaction: advertiser hands YouTuber money, YouTuber puts ad in their content. There may be additional parts of the deal such as tracking codes, but that's not how it works.

The YouTuber gets the ad money, even if the video is not watched. Though that does not mean you should skip the ad, because the videos have heatmaps and no one would advertise if the segment was always "cold". Though what the OP is saying is you can send strong signals (to both the advertiser AND the YouTuber) as to what ads you're willing to watch and not. In fact, in this way, it is a great tool for making a more efficient market as it increases information quality. But only under the assumption it is both pervasive and not used bluntly.

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13. stavros ◴[] No.41241435{3}[source]
Thank you! I've added the repo and will look at Grayjay now.
14. ndriscoll ◴[] No.41241448{4}[source]
If you're not interested in the advertisement, then you're creating a less efficient market by signaling that you are. So you ought to skip past it or block it in that case. And if you're not interested in any advertisements, the market is more efficient when you block them all. Or just run adnausium if you're basically just trying to help creators scam advertisers.

Remember in all advertising funded models that you are always the product. The market is for "high quality" (i.e. profitable) viewers, not high quality videos.

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15. paulryanrogers ◴[] No.41241518{5}[source]
Adnausium isn't making the market more efficient. It's wasting everyone's time and bandwidth.
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16. ndriscoll ◴[] No.41241544{6}[source]
Right, I said run it if you want to help creators scam advertisers. That's more or less what you're going for if you're not interested in something, but you believe your "I watched the ad" signal helps the creator negotiate with advertisers.
17. wanderingmind ◴[] No.41241612[source]
Yes I use it in Desktop/laptops, but integrating it in Android through termux was a pain. I recently found out about [Seal](https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.junkfood.seal/) which seems to provide a front end for yt-dlp in Android. Might try this out soon.
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18. pxc ◴[] No.41241738{3}[source]
I use Seal all the time when people send me links to videos on social media, since, lacking the apps and accounts, I can't reliably or conveniently get them to play at the present stage of enshittification of those platforms. Seal is great! Definitely give it a try.
19. bdw5204 ◴[] No.41241815[source]
I also use Tubular on Android. The one caveat is that Youtube changes seem to break the app on a regular basis so you do need to periodically return to the Github repo to update it.
20. smahs ◴[] No.41243341{3}[source]
I first found Seal which uses arai2 under the hood. After getting used to Seal, I had to start using yt-dlp with aria2 on linux as well. The only nitpick is that you can't get multiple parallel downloads with Seal.
21. aniviacat ◴[] No.41243633[source]
Why do you feel better about using Google's platform without paying (by watching ads) than about consuming someone's content without paying?
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22. account42 ◴[] No.41243712[source]
Why not just donate to the creators you like instead of letting them or a third party psychologically manipulate you into giving money to that third party who in turn pay some small part of that money to fund the creator.
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23. johnnyanmac ◴[] No.41243725{3}[source]
I do pay so the point is moot. But for the exercise:

Google has probably already well overextended it's reach and made thousands off data without my consent. And will probably make more without my consent from Gemini. They have so many cash glows that I couldn't care less about plugging one of the holes up. They've long burned their good will points.

Meanwhile, I am an aspiring indie dev and I've overtime gotten rough ideas of how and what other creators on YT are paid. I honestly feel bad knowing some of these people arguably work 5 times harder than I do selling their brands while making maybe half (if they are a really established creator, maybe 500k+ subs) of what I make just walking to my computer and typing into a codepad. Some can barely afford their rent despite this hard work, and potentially hundred of hours of entertainment given to me. And those are "big" (but not Huge) creators. Someone with 50-100k subs may still not be able to do their work full time, or they do it on the very edge of viability.

I can't do much. I subscribe to some crowd funds, but not all. being able to at least watch their ad rolls is some form of appreciation in my mind. So call it guilt or call it an odd emotional attachment.

I just want to try and pay it forward, knowing I may be on that seat one day.

24. account42 ◴[] No.41243727{6}[source]
> It's wasting everyone's time and bandwidth.

No, that's what ads are doing. And not just your computers bandwidth but also your mental bandwidth. Fuck ads.

25. matheusmoreira ◴[] No.41243789{6}[source]
It's reducing the advertiser's returns on their investments. Reduce it to zero or negatives and they will stop advertising. That's world changing technology.

There's no bigger waste of bandwidth than ads, by the way. Ads are noise that's deliberately added to the signal just because it makes somebody somewhere money. These are actually the most charitable words I can use to describe ads.

26. johnnyanmac ◴[] No.41243800{3}[source]
CC's get paid for the sponsorship on top of any affiliate links. The RAID ads are the most obnoxious thing ever, but you dig through and realize even a tiny 2k sub channel can get a few hundred out of it (at this level you are getting maybe a few dozen dollars a month in YT ads) and you completely realize why they "sell out". I can only imagine the kind of cash moderate sized YouTubers (the 100-300k range) can get (i know a 400k YouTube disclosed half their revenue came from ad rolls, and their revenue was enough to live humbly.

>You're just watching your favourite creator say how much they love ExpressVPN through gritted teeth.

Which one of us likes every aspect of our job? Or every order/request of a customer? Gotta do what you gotta do.

27. matheusmoreira ◴[] No.41243818{3}[source]
> without paying

Attention is not a valid currency or payment method. Their service is literally free of charge. They did it that way hoping we would look at the ads. We're not obligated to do so. They have only themselves to blame for their risky business model that gambles on the idea that people might look at irrelevant content they didn't ask for.

They need to charge us up front if they want us to pay. If they send us ads, we'll delete them before they're shown. Nothing they can do about it. And we won't lose a second of sleep over it.

28. johnnyanmac ◴[] No.41243824{3}[source]
I try (tried) to. Money's tight now, but on the heyday of 2022 I was giving at least $5/month to 10 different creators. I'd say only 2 of those were even for a specific reward, 3 of then explicitly had no rewards.

But I'm subbed to 30 channels and probably "watch every video but am not subbed" to 10-15 others. I'm not quite at a point where I can support everyone I want to support.

29. godelski ◴[] No.41244014{5}[source]
You're missing a critical part: there's additional information we can communicate. And that's what this is all about, what information is being communicated. The inefficiency is lack of perfect information.

If you indiscriminately watch or block that is a signal. Watch communicates potentially more because there's a secondary effect of some of those people buy the product. But by indiscriminately watching or not watching, we provide information about an interpolation along what was binary before. It is more complex to read, but now we can communicate that we don't dislike this add more than our willingness to support the channel. And on top of that, again our conversion rate. In a way, the discriminating information tells us something about the likely conversion rate. This is just more information, though that doesn't mean we are good at measuring it.

  > The market is for "high quality" (i.e. profitable) viewers, not high quality videos.
Yes, but profits aren't the only thing people care about. At least not all people. Money is still a proxy for something more abstract.

To make it clearer, there are in fact ads that I do enjoy. This is true for all of us because an ad is so vaguely defined. During a political campaign I appreciate some ads because I want to know the candidates positions, when they are debating, and so on. Too much of it pisses me off, but that's different.

I also like ads that make me aware of certain things that provide utility to my life, but maybe not yours and this can be based on timing.

So stop rejecting this and recognize that these are all attempts at communicating these other factors. It's another variable in a system of equations.

30. Ruthalas ◴[] No.41263118[source]
You can also mark segments in the downloaded files with that combination of tools, which is useful and non-destructive.