I got almost all of my wishes granted with RP2350

And still no USB C on the official devboard.

There's plenty of alternatives right out of the gate, at least:

https://www.raspberrypi.com/for-industry/powered-by/product-...

Pimoroni has a maxed-out pin-compatible version with 16MB flash, 8MB PSRAM, and USB-C:

https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/pimoroni-pico-plus-2

> And still no USB C on the official devboard.

Do you live in a universe where micro-USB cables are not available, or something? There's gonna be something or other that needs micro-USB for the next decade, so just buy a few and move on. They're not expensive.

[later edit: I bet it has to do with backwards compatibility. They don't want people to need to rework case designs to use something that is meant as a drop-in replacement for the Pi Pico 1.]

Personally I have about three dozen USB-A to USB-C cables lying around and the thought of actually spending money to acquire extra Micro USB cables in 2024 is very unappealing.

I (deliberately) haven’t bought a consumer electronic device that still uses Micro USB in years so don’t accumulate those cables for free anymore like with USB-C.

Of course ubiquitous USB-C dev boards/breakout boards without 5.1kΩ resistors for C-C power is its own frustration ... But I can tolerate that having so many extra USB-A chargers and cables. Trigger boards are great because they necessarily support PD without playing the AliExpress C-C lottery.

> Do you live in a universe where micro-USB cables are not available, or something? There's gonna be something or other that needs micro-USB for the next decade, so just buy a few and move on. They're not expensive.

I live in a universe where type C has been the standard interface for devices for years, offering significant advantages with no downsides other than a slightly higher cost connector, and it's reasonable to be frustrated at vendors releasing new devices using the old connector.

It's certainly not as bad as some vendors of networking equipment who still to this day release new designs with Mini-B connectors that are actually officially deprecated, but it's not good nor worthy of defending in any way.

> I bet it has to do with backwards compatibility. They don't want people to need to rework case designs to use something that is meant as a drop-in replacement for the Pi Pico 1.

Your logic is likely accurate here, but that just moves the stupid choice back a generation. It was equally dumb and annoying to have Micro-B instead of C on a newly designed and released device in 2021 as it is in 2024.

The type C connector was standardized in 2014 and became standard on phones and widely utilized on laptops starting in 2016.

IMO the only good reason to have a mini-B or micro-B connector on a device is for physical compatibility with a legacy design that existed prior to 2016. Compatibility with a previous bad decision is not a good reason, fix your mistakes.

Type A on hosts will still be a thing for a long time, and full-size type B still makes sense for large devices that are not often plugged/unplugged where the size is actually a benefit, but the mini-B connector is deprecated and the micro-B connector should be.

Unless the USB-C connector costs $7-10, these are beyond ridiculously overpriced compared to the official dev board. At least throw in an IMU or something if you plan to sell low volumes at high prices jeez.

The cheapest one I've seen so far is the XIAO RP2350, which is $5, same as the official Pico board. I'm sure there will be more cheap options once more Chinese manufacturers get their hands on the chips, no-name USB-C RP2040 boards are ridiculously cheap.

Micro-B is fine. This is such an overblown non-issue I am shocked that people are making a big deal of it.

> I (deliberately) haven’t bought a consumer electronic device that still uses Micro USB in years so don’t accumulate those cables for free anymore like with USB-C.

I guess you’re not gonna be buying a Pi Pico 2, then. So why are you complaining about something you aren’t going to use?

I think you misread what I wrote: consumer electronic device

Dev boards or niche specialized hardware are about the only thing I've willingly bought with Micro USB in 4+ years. As much as I try to avoid it given my preference for USB-C, sometimes I don't have a good alternative available.

> So why are you complaining about something you aren’t going to use?

Because it looks like a great upgrade to my RP2040-Zero boards that I would like to buy but I really dislike the choice of connector? What is wrong with that?

It's not a huge deal, but it's still a very strange choice on a product released in 2024.

Pretty much everyone has a USB-C cable lying around on their desk because they use it to charge their smartphone. I probably have a Micro-B cable lying around in a big box of cables somewhere, last used several years ago. Even cheap Chinese garbage comes with USB-C these days.

Sure, Micro-B is technically just fine, but why did Raspberry Pi go out of their way to make their latest product more cumbersome to use?

Even if you interpreted that sentence right, that's not a reasonable rebuttal. If a feature stops someone from buying a product, then it makes sense to complain about the feature. Their non-purchase doesn't invalidate the complaint. It's only when someone isn't interested in the category at all that complaints lose their value.