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neugiergiraffe ◴[] No.40715951[source]
Can someone explain to me why, over time, democratic states tend to drift into mass surveillance ?

Is it beacuse a lot of people feel unsafe or is it because the people supposed to ensure our security see it as the "easiest" or most effective way to do their job?

Is there so much benefit to having a fuctioning mass surveilance apparatus, and if yes, who benefits of it if not the people for whom these rules for in the first place?

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asah ◴[] No.40716270[source]
The issue is the rise of mass surveillance tech, which makes it too easy. Also, tech creates new threats (including terror plots, protecting children etc) which drive demand for the surveillance.
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1. shrimp_emoji ◴[] No.40717693[source]
This is unironically it.

Technology is evil. Specifically, the Internet is evil.

It's why it's got such a uniquely rich potential for dystopia, why all news is always bad news, why it's always getting worse.

Technology, as it progresses, is the enabling of power. So you'll find more and more power exerted over you because people can't resist. You'll have to assert power of your own to counter it, like switching to Linux or using a VPN. Or torrenting a media to escape the oppressive DRM placed upon it. But it's essentially a war you've found yourself enlisted in. If you've got the chops to fight in it, you're lucky; most don't.

I single out the Internet because it connects us with oppressors and makes us reliant on them more intimately than ever before. AI will be able to extend that oppression even in an air gapped environment because now the oppressor's intent can be packaged up and installed on the machine like never before -- no connection required.

And, in the limit, I think it all ends with gray goo, Daybreak style.

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2. account42 ◴[] No.40726569[source]
The internet also connects you to your peers. It is your choice who you become reliant on.

DRM is not caused by technology, it is manufactured by laws that make it illegal to break. Operating systems that take control away from the user are not caused by technology, they are made possible by laws that make it illegal to modify them and share those modifications. Doomscrolling is not caused by technology, it is made possible by allowing corporate proaganda (aka ads) which make rage bait profitable.

We are in this dystopia not because technology is inherently evil but becaus this what our governments want.