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Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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960 points andrew918277 | 7 comments | 18 Jun 24 08:49 UTC | HN request time: 0.637s | source | bottom
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romankolpak ◴[18 Jun 24 10:46 UTC] No.40716163[source]▶
I’m sorry if this is a stupid question, but I want to ask it because I see the same sentiment across HN and other forums and I’m legitimately confused.

If we don’t hijack privacy in messaging, how do we fight crime happening on a message platform? If government doesn’t have access to message contents, what’s stopping criminals from using the platform and never get tracked down? Or proven guilty, since all the proof is safely encrypted? Aren’t we hurting ourselves by being so obsessed with privacy? Again, I apologize for ignorance and am curious

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1. wepple ◴[18 Jun 24 11:02 UTC] No.40716267[source]▶
Crime, whether CSAM or drugs or theft, all have a component in the real-world: it’s never purely in messaging.

Stop the CSAM where it’s being created. Catch the drug manufacturers and distributors. Etc. do police work.

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2. johnisgood ◴[18 Jun 24 11:33 UTC] No.40716514[source]▶
Drug manufacturers, like weed farmers (in countries other than the US, for one)? The only reason I am able to use weed as an example is because it pretty much has been normalized, but what about other drugs, say, psychedelics, ketamine, opiates? I would rather not get into the War on Drugs here, anyways.
3. tzs ◴[18 Jun 24 11:36 UTC] No.40716544[source]▶
What kind of police work are you envisaging?
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4. ranguna ◴[18 Jun 24 14:35 UTC] No.40718333[source]▶
The one being done right now without this law
5. account42 ◴[19 Jun 24 10:19 UTC] No.40726806[source]▶
Well for one, the FBI could investigate the list of Epstein's clients which they almost certainly have.
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6. tekknik ◴[19 Jun 24 14:09 UTC] No.40728467{3}[source]▶
You’ve jumped the pond, this article is about Europe not the US
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7. account42 ◴[19 Jun 24 14:22 UTC] No.40728594{4}[source]▶
It's an example. You don't think Interpol and individual EU countries' police have similar options?

The fact that these things often end up brushed under the rug makes me doubt that the goal here is really to catch abusers.