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ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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locallost ◴[26 Jan 24 21:36 UTC] No.39148816[source]▶
My views on the situation aside, the clearest I saw anyone communicate the issues from a global angle was the former French prime minister Dominique de Villepin

Translated here: https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1718201487132885246

Viewed from the angle of the West, I think the message it needs to avoid isolating itself from the world is very unusual for Western media and important.

Quote:

"Westerners must open their eyes to the extent of the historical drama unfolding before us to find the right answers."

And

"This Palestinian question will not fade. And so we must address it and find an answer. This is where we need courage. The use of force is a dead end. The moral condemnation of what Hamas did - and there's no "but" in my words regarding the moral condemnation of this horror - must not prevent us from moving forward politically and diplomatically in an enlightened manner. The law of retaliation is a never-ending cycle."

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nemo44x ◴[26 Jan 24 22:02 UTC] No.39149209[source]▶
> The law of retaliation is a never-ending cycle.

Well, there are ways to end it. Historically there have been thousands of cyclical conflicts that eventually ended without a diplomatic solution.

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locallost ◴[26 Jan 24 22:18 UTC] No.39149446[source]▶
In this situation I disagree. The world is overwhelmingly pro Palestine, and the Arab world obviously. They will not go away. Israel will not go away either.
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Wytwwww ◴[26 Jan 24 22:53 UTC] No.39149932[source]▶
> The world is overwhelmingly pro Palestine

That's arguable, certainly in the west at least. Even if most people oppose the current war/atrocities that doesn't mean that they generally favour Palestine (or especially Hamas..) over Israel (.e.g. like you didn't have to be pro-Sadam to oppose the war in Iraq).

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vcryan ◴[27 Jan 24 00:02 UTC] No.39150646[source]▶
The world is pro-justice. At the moment, Israel's genocide and the long-term brutal occupation have caused anyone to pay attention to support Palestine.
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starik36[dead post] ◴[27 Jan 24 00:08 UTC] No.39150703[source]▶
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nerpderp82 ◴[27 Jan 24 00:32 UTC] No.39150925[source]▶
Watch the closing remarks, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttrJd2aWF-Y it is short.

And then the whole thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FryDCvI7YLo

https://web.archive.org/web/20240125185410/https://www.irish...

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starik36 ◴[27 Jan 24 01:09 UTC] No.39151226{3}[source]▶
It's remarks by the plaintiff's attorney meant to elicit emotion. It includes zero context. Who died - were they militants with guns? Were they civilian casualties of war? No one knows. Just a bizarre connection between Bethlehem and Gaza. Bethlehem is not in Gaza.

I am not sure what facts I am supposed to gather from this.

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1. nerpderp82 ◴[27 Jan 24 01:23 UTC] No.39151348{4}[source]▶
Of course it was, those were the closing remarks. You can watch the full speech which gives you the argument spelled out.

Or read South Africa's case https://www.icj-cij.org/case/192

Ms Ní Ghrálaigh's pedigree in addressing genocide is extensive, as mentioned in the linked article.

One can only counter misdirection with facts. There is a Zionist genocide of Palestinians going on right now in Gaza.

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2. starik36 ◴[27 Jan 24 03:26 UTC] No.39152192[source]▶
The court said no such thing. Don't spread misinformation.
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3. nerpderp82 ◴[29 Jan 24 16:40 UTC] No.39178419[source]▶
I didn't say that court said, "There is a Zionist genocide of Palestinians going on right now in Gaza." I did.

My comment was asking you to read the original sources, you are twisting my words.