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ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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whalesalad[dead post] ◴[26 Jan 24 19:42 UTC] No.39147149[source]▶
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notaustinpowers ◴[26 Jan 24 20:23 UTC] No.39147730[source]▶
I don't believe that this would end if Hamas released their hostages. Ultimately, it would put Palestine back to where they were before October 7th except civilians would be much worse off. Still living under Israeli occupation with limited freedom of movement, limited external assistance, etc. Except now, they'd have no hospitals, no infrastructure, housing, etc. How can a place live Gaza possibly rebuild from that?
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jjcon ◴[26 Jan 24 20:27 UTC] No.39147793[source]▶
> where they were before October 7th except civilians would be much worse off. Still living under Israeli occupation with limited freedom of movement

Israel hasn't had any presence in Gaza for nearly 20 years.

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notaustinpowers ◴[26 Jan 24 20:39 UTC] No.39147970[source]▶
A lack of presence does not equal a lack of control. Israel still controls Palestinian air and maritime space, telecommunications, water, electricity, and border crossings.

While Israel may not have had a military presence since 2006, their control over the region did not do the same.

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jjcon ◴[26 Jan 24 20:56 UTC] No.39148200[source]▶
Goalpost moving aside, that statement is definitively untrue.

For one, Israel does not control the Gaza border with Egypt (which shocker... Egypt does). Israel has provided a ton of humanitarian aid to Gaza over the years including water and electricity but they do not control their water or electricity (kinda hard to do that or even claim that is being done since they don't have a presence in the country).

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1. mandmandam ◴[26 Jan 24 21:13 UTC] No.39148474[source]▶
It's not goalpost moving at all. Ask the UN Special Rapporteur:

> https://www.jurist.org/features/2023/09/06/un-special-rappor...

> they do not control their water or electricity (kinda hard to do that or even claim that is being done since they don't have a presence in the country).

This is a stunningly false statement. I honestly don't know how anyone could believe it.

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2. jjcon ◴[26 Jan 24 21:19 UTC] No.39148553[source]▶
I guess you are just ignorant of the facts then. Israel only provides a portion as part of their humanitarian aid (but it isn't their responsibility to power Gaza.. just as no country is held responsible for anothers electricity?). I'd start with this wikipedia article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_electricity_crisis

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3. notaustinpowers ◴[27 Jan 24 02:17 UTC] No.39151740[source]▶
You’re right, it isn’t Israel’s responsibility to power Gaza. But then why does Israel restrict and control Gaza’s import of fuel for their only power plant?

You can’t have your cake and eat it too. You can’t claim Israel is providing humanitarian aid while it is also restricting their ability to find solutions that no longer require their aid.