ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

It explicitly says they must stop killing Palestinians. None of their current military tactics satisfy this demand.

The court referenced article II of the Genocide Convention here, which includes "Killing members of the group." Any country that commits genocide in the way outlined by the convention would be in violation, not just Israel.

This goes beyond military tactics:

> Leading propaganda machine and former Member of Knesset Einat Wilf suggests that the Israeli government should allow aid into Gaza officially, but unofficially let "protesters" to block all aid from entering the Strip. I think that's actually kinda what happened today.

-- https://twitter.com/ireallyhateyou/status/175021647115263591...

> The Gaon Rabbi Dov Lior Shalita in a halachic ruling: Citizens must prevent the entry of Hamas trucks even on Shabbat, because equipping and supplying the enemy is a war act that must be stopped from the point of view of human control.

-- https://twitter.com/Torat_IDF/status/1750600997745959279

Probably a terrible translation but the point is clear, incitement and impunity, and the results are predictable.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/protesters-prev...

https://www.jewishpress.com/news/eye-on-palestine/gaza/prote...

Yesterday, 0 trucks could enter Gaza, the day before that 9 out of 60, don't know about today. Note that under the convention against genocide, Israel is required to prosecute genocidal speech, much less such genocidal acts (apart from not committing them of course). Instead, as Yoav Gallant just posted this on Twitter:

> The State of Israel does not need need to be lectured on morality in order to distinguish between terrorists and the civilian population in Gaza. The ICJ went above and beyond, when it granted South Africa's antisemitic request to discuss the claim of genocide in Gaza.

... which is as good a summary as any for what you find at every corner with this: not just the unwillingness to learn, but the inability to even comprehend any of this. When Gideon Levy talks about the incredible depth of Israeli indoctrination, he isn't kidding, and he's not exaggerating.

"brainwashing" is a term that's going to unavoidably turn this conversation in a bad direction, it might be best not to use it here. There are less inflammatory ways to describe what's happening in that tweet.

Here's Gideon Levy explaining it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZQf-YSgPto

I changed it to "indoctrination". Which is a more polite word that doesn't really do it justice, but it's not really important because the result, the inability to even meaningfully interact with the charges, is a constant.

As George Orwell put it, from the totalitarian perspective history is something to be created, rather than learned. Or as Robert Antelme described a concentration camp guard: "trapped in the machinery of his own myth". I just cannot find a flattering way to describe these things, there just is no material to work with for that.

So Israel can't enjoy the same right to self defense that any other state would? They can't conduct a war in an urban environment with an actual intentionally genocidal enemy, and must resort to targeted assassinations? That standard is absurd. Surely you can admit some middle ground ,if you're discussing in good faith.

Unfortunately for the Palestinians, that is not what was ruled. They were hoping for a full ceasefire like what you have interpreted, but they are very disappointed in the ruling because it does not say that.

What it does say is

1. Israel must do more to prevent the possibility of genocide. Genocide is killing a people with the intent of killing them for the sake of destroying them, and not as collateral damage, so it does not mean stopping all death. Collateral damage, unfortunately, remains on the table.

2. Israel must report back in a month with how they are doing that. For example, they could show lower amounts of collateral damage, an increase in aid, punishments for officials that make statements that could be construed as genocidal, and so forth.

That is better than nothing, to be certain, but it is far from a ceasefire, unfortunately.

So far they’ve wiped out 1% of their population. The only reason it’s not 50% (imo) is that there’s hostages still there.

If you are a Palestinian over there, don’t go waving a white flag or you just become a target practise.

Sources:

https://www.itn.co.uk/news/palestinian-man-carrying-white-fl...

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-hostages-k...

> Correct, it's very likely that Israel is committing genocide and the court ordered them to stop while they do a full investigation.

I think there was a miscommunication. You said that the provisional measures said that Israel must stop killing Palestinians, and so there is no way to have a ceasefire. I was saying that what's actually in the provisional measures is a reiteration of the Genocide Convention, of which all countries must already abide, including Israel. Whether or not it's likely a country is commiting genocide or it's self defense, they haven't ruled on. I deliberately avoided any speculation with my comments.

> From today's ruling, Israel would continue the genocide of Palestinians at its own peril.

What peril will Israel face? More condemnation of Hamas by western leaders?

> it's very likely that Israel is committing genocide

The court said no such thing.

Increased isolation from the rest of the normal world, more especially from its bosom buddy Uncle Sam.

New update: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68104203

> The UK, Australia, Italy and Canada have become the latest countries to pause funding for the UN agency for Palestinians, UNRWA.

Western countries stop sending relief to Palestinians in Gaza...

> This comes after the agency announced the sacking of several of its staff over allegations of involvement in the 7 October Hamas attacks.

> UNRWA says it has ordered an investigation into information supplied by Israel.

... because Israel alleged that it was the relief workers who were the terrorists.

> Western countries stop sending relief to Palestinians in Gaza...

Wake me up when they stop sending weapons to Netanyahu.

> ... because Israel alleged that it was the relief workers who were the terrorists.

Changes nothing. An opportunity for the rest of the non-genocidal world to come to Gaza's aid.

The rest of the world will continue to support the Palestinian people overcome this terrible evil being carried out by Zionist Israel.