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186 points drak0n1c | 12 comments | | HN request time: 1.148s | source | bottom
1. Roritharr ◴[] No.38483715[source]
Anduril is one of these companies I would leave my own startup for to work for. I love what they are doing.
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2. cm2012 ◴[] No.38483771[source]
Same. Just an awesome company.
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4. throwaway234a ◴[] No.38484777[source]
It's not that great. I would know, I work there. The marketing is the shit though. It makes all the tech look like it's the greatest thing ever. The mentality here at this company is hack hack hack and the quality of the product reflect this. Don't expect German engineered precision. Expect products with poor quality, poor reliability and a failure rate that is very very high.

What is good about this company is that we build things fast and there's not of lot of slacking going on that you see in most of the defense industry. We make things fast and cheap, but they're very poor quality.

To give one example take a look at our counter UAS:

https://www.anduril.com/capability/counter-uas/

Watch the video it will give you chills. What the video won't show is how ineffective this product is. The enemy sends one drone, maybe it will work. If the enemy sends 3 or 4 we're done. This shit barely works, I wouldn't trust my life with it at all. All tests and demonstrations showed utter failure and STILL even though we failed on all the tests we STILL got a contract from the government. There's for sure money changing hands behind the scenes.

It also doesn't show you how crappy the UI is. You think we have a custom UI device to control this thing? No. It's react running in chrome on windows. It's also really poorly designed. The initial UI was made by some kid straight out of school and it was just poorly optimized. And despite this... The government still bought it, simply because a crap product is the only available option.

And to be real with you, we can't beat China tech. In terms of the quality, price and speed ratio, China dominates anduril by a landslide. The US can dominate on quality, but we we give up speed and price as a result. And if you want quality, anduril is not at the forefront of this at all.

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5. swalsh ◴[] No.38486193[source]
"You think we have a custom UI device to control this thing? No. It's react running in chrome on windows."

No, I'd expect a cost plus contract to do that. I wouldn't expected anyone else to do that.

6. kanwisher ◴[] No.38487208[source]
UI for spacex rockets in the ship is html and JavaScript. There is zero issue having a front end be in something easy to hack on
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7. mlindner ◴[] No.38492033[source]
> China dominates anduril by a landslide

I mean, obviously. Anduril is one company, and still a relatively small company at that.

> And if you want quality, anduril is not at the forefront of this at all.

The US, as you mention, already has quality. We need speed and things that are "good enough" right now, not quality. Anduril seems to be heading pretty good in that direction.

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8. throwaway234a ◴[] No.38495688{3}[source]
They are heading in that direction slowly. Overall the products are pretty unreliable Probably two decades before it gets really good and by then there'll be so much red tape the company will have lost all the speed they have now. I can assure you our products are nowhere near good enough as of right now.

That's why there isn't a single video of a live demonstration against enemies. It's not that good. Palmer "suggested" our stuff is being used in Ukraine but how come I see tons of videos cheap drones operating in Ukraine and no anduril products? Because cheap drones are > then anything anduril has built.

>I mean, obviously. Anduril is one company, and still a relatively small company at that.

I meant that the average company in China operating in the same space can beat out anduril. Take DJI for example. Not even primarily a military company, their products BETTER than ours in the field of battle. There products were so effective in Ukraine that DJI had to write safe guards to prevent usage. Anduril can't hold a candle to this.

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9. throwaway234a ◴[] No.38495700{3}[source]
That's for internal use. For military customer use, usually it's expected that the UI be similar to a UI you get in an air plane cockpit. What happens when you go fly a passenger plane and you see chrome with some front end UI? Come on man.

Anyway, a front end UI can still work even though it's not ideal, but there's huge performance issues with what we have. Huge. The thing doesn't even run webgl for rendering, it's layering svgs on top of mapbox and those svgs are redrawn every frame with no caching. It's poorly designed and clunky and slow and buggy.

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10. throwfurther232 ◴[] No.38510963[source]
You can speak for your own department. Some of us are shipping products and know what we're doing.

It's insane to think it would make sense to build on anything other than the best existing commercial technology and expect it to be reliable, affordable and maintainable. The military would not and should not change everything from Windows/Linux and Chrome to some completely custom OS and UI. (In the places we do provide products with the latter, we are more than state-of-the-art.)

Avionics have been piggybacking off of commercial electronics due to the sheer scale since at least the 1980's because it just makes sense, while the primes have been slow to do the same in software, partly due to mindsets like yours.

And the fact is, when creating software, everything starts out buggy, because nothing exists. That's why you develop, test and fix it. Normally we of course wouldn't ship anything that's not perfect, but our customers have begged us for products, saying they have nothing that can deal with some of the threats they face and so are okay with having to restart an app every now and then until it's ironed out.

Plus, if you can see through Anduril's marketing, how can you not see through China's marketing?

11. throwfurther232 ◴[] No.38511060{4}[source]
SpaceX does use web-based UI's on the capsule. But we're not shipping UI's for passenger planes. And the guys using our products really don't care about whether or not the UI is caching some element. They care that they can perform maintenance, updates and C2 with their tablet in the field rather than air freight some magic 200lb box with a dozen custom cannon connectors from rural Connecticut.
12. throwfurther232 ◴[] No.38511106{4}[source]
If you're convinced about the things you're talking about (and acting out like this) then you should just go to another company. I have seen the videos you say you haven't, and they aren't shared because of operational security. (They're also grainy and low-res so have little marketing value.)