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bryan0 ◴[] No.37600873[source]
Can someone explain the mechanics of this specific trade to a noob? The trader bought 550k options yesterday for SPLK to hit $127/share? Since that seemed highly unlikely they were only priced at $.04 each. but now that SPLK is at $145/share they are worth $18 each? so that would be a profit of ~$10m?
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eastdakota ◴[] No.37601419[source]
Yes. The one bit you’re missing is that a call option is the right to buy a stock at a certain price typically on or before a certain date.

To make the numbers simple, imagine a stock trades at $10/share. If someone came to you and said: how much would you be willing to pay to have an option to buy the stock for $100/share? The correct answer is: it depends. If it’s the right to buy the stock for $100/share at any point over the next 10 years then that’s worth more than to buy the stock at $100/share in the next day. A stock trading at $10 is unlikely to jump to $100 in a day so the option to by it for $100 is not worth much. It could happen, so it’s worth something. But it’s unlikely. So, again to make the numbers simple, let’s say it’s worth $0.01/option to buy a stock at $100 in the next day when it’s trading at $10 today.

Now imagine it’s the next day and the company with the $10 stock discovers the cure for cancer or invents time travel or perfects cold fusion. News breaks and now it’s trading at $1,000 per share. Now how much is the right to buy the stock at $100 per share worth? The answer is going to be something really close to, but maybe a small discount from, $1,000 (current value of the stock) - $100 (how much you pay based on the option) = $900. So what was worth $0.01 yesterday is worth $900 today.

Let’s say you have $10,000 to invest. If you know in advance the news is going to break you can do two things to (probably illegally) try and profit from it.

1. Buy 1,000 shares of the stock for $10/share. 2. Buy 1,000,000 options to buy the stock for $100/share tomorrow with each option costing $0.01.

With strategy 1 you spend $10,000 to buy something that, after the news breaks, is worth $1,000,000. Not bad. But with strategy 2 you spend $10,000 to buy something that’s worth $900,000,000 after the news breaks.

In both cases you’re likely to at least be investigated. And strategy 2 seems especially suspicious because the risk is so high and the non-illegal reasons for doing it are so few and far between. Very few reasons you’d buy a bunch of call options that only pay off if something causes a stock to move dramatically in 24 hours.

Finally, while short-dated, out-of-the-money call options are not something many if anyone should be playing with, they’re just a different flavor of something very familiar. To put it in context a lot of HN readers will understand more intuitively: a call option is what you often receive when you get equity in a startup. It’s the right to purchase shares at a price (strike price) before a certain amount of time (typically 10 years).

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tptacek ◴[] No.37601847[source]
This is great, and as good a place as any for the thread to sprawl from, so I'll ask: it depends on how you know the stock is going to shoot up the next day, right? Trading on private information isn't illegal, and there's a huge variety of ways to acquire private information at varying levels of confidence, and in a sense the purpose of the markets is to aggregate everyone's private information to estimate a price.

So a scenario I'm curious about:

Say you're, like, an employee at DataDog, and you're involved in a long-term M&A discussion with Cisco that you know is competitive (I've had the pleasure of witnessing one of these at Arbor Networks). Things are looking great, you've picked up a bunch of strong signals that Cisco is definitely going to make a move, and then: the talks fall apart.

Knowing Cisco, you immediately reach the logical conclusion that they're about to acquire your biggest competitor.

You have no fiduciary duty to Splunk whatsoever. Cisco is, if anything, hostile. Buying Splunk options that are valuable only if Cisco acquires doesn't impact DataDog at all.

Have you violated insider trading laws if you buy the options?

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thisisit ◴[] No.37602532[source]
insider trade? Maybe not. Unethical? Yes. IANAL but this can be grounds for firing and potentially DataDog can sue for misusing what is effectively their confidential information.
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shortrounddev2 ◴[] No.37603213[source]
What's unethical about it
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ghaff ◴[] No.37603461[source]
You’re using confidential information obtained in the course of your work duties for personal gain. I’m pretty sure my employer would consider that a business conduct violation.
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1. shortrounddev2 ◴[] No.37603589[source]
I'm sure it's against the rules but why is it unethical
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2. ghaff ◴[] No.37604175[source]
Because you’re abusing your professional position and employer’s trust for personal gain.
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3. shortrounddev2 ◴[] No.37604634[source]
I don't see how, but more importantly I don't see who this harms
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4. outworlder ◴[] No.37605232{3}[source]
> I don't see who this harms

Every trade has a counterpart.

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5. nurettin ◴[] No.37608089{4}[source]
Except those calls just popped into existence in the exchange. So the first trader bought them ex-nihilo.